Bitch slowing down acting "sad/tired" pretty much like last time, but maybe a little more, its her 4th litter, she is HIGH energy female, only 5 1/2 yrs old, carrying very low compared to last litter considering 6 days away from "due date" Bitch didn't eat breakfast and this is very unusual, yet did refuse food last time before delivering, not sure when it was tho No discharge So... what's her due date? What is the earliest a litter can be delivered healthy? Her last 3 litters were all delivered day 61 and had 6 puppies in first litter, 7 puppies in last 2 litters. Thanks ****************************************************************************** *************** JMO: I believe the 58th day is the earliest safe day, and I think it would be a good idea to start keeping a journal of her meals and temps..... I had a bitch that had 3 litters, 13-11-12, her temp never really changed dramatically, maybe a couple degrees changes at the most, and she could eat seconds before whelping, we never had a problem with the whelping.....she never made it to 60 days, the litters were too large for her to carry that long........She was very healthy and took excellent care of the pups, but we bred her 2 years apart. I believed it was best for her to be completely recovered after such large litters. This bitch is 5 1/2 years old and this is her 4th litter, previous litters were 6 then 7 then 2......If the x-rays are good, you are looking at 7 to 9 pups, is no wonder after a litter of 2 she is looking "tired", this is a huge litter compared to the last one. If you started breeding her after 2 years (for ofa), that is 3 1/2 years for 4 litters. I am sure she is tired. Good Luck. Ileana ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================