Puppies take 58-59 days to develop once the eggs are fertilized (usually a few days after ovulation, as Kathy said). The earliest the puppies can be born and survive would be 58-59 days after the first breeding. Sperm from a natural breeding is usually viable for about 7 days - though it can be shorter or longer depending on different factors. If you don't know the date of ovulation, the usual rule of thumb is 58-66 days from the first tie. I have a better way to narrow it down for myself <G>. My stud dog is a "last minute man" when it comes to breeding. He won't really try until the last few days the bitch can be bred. He then turns into a basket case and won't eat or sleep and cries and carries on like crazy. When he suddenly settles down and starts to eat again, I mark the calendar. The puppies come exactly 59 days later - so far he's 3 for 3. Makes it much easier to plan my days off work, LOL. Janice In a message dated 12/31/2005 2:37:06 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 12/31/2005 4:16:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx writes: Scenario.... First breeding was November 6th, bred Nov 7th and 8th. (was only going to do 6th and 7th but since was a 6 hr drive and prog level wasnt back in, did breeding before leaving to go home JUST INCASE) Female goes for xray today, Dec 31st vet takes temp its 99.8 nothing to compare too as i forgot to start taking her temp yesterday. 7 skulls shown, 9 spines... puppies arent real huddled towards the ole tunnel yet according to xray. Bitch slowing down acting "sad/tired" pretty much like last time, but maybe a little more, its her 4th litter, she is HIGH energy female, only 5 1/2 yrs old, carrying very low compared to last litter considering 6 days away from "due date" Bitch didnt eat breakfast and this is very unusual, yet did refuse food last time before delivering, not sure when it was tho No discharge So... what's her due date? What is the earliest a litter can be delivered healthy? Her last 3 litters were all delivered day 61 and had 6 puppies in first litter, 7 puppies in last 2 litters. Thanks Dawnmarie The due date is actually 63 days from ovulation/fertilization (not from day bred). Without knowing when she ovulated, all you can do is wait and watch... BTW, breeding back to back days seems a little different since healthy sperm can live quite a while. Not second guessing, but what do others do? (I usually skip a day, sometimes 2, which I realize isn't feasible when long commutes are involved.) Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================