Pat, I was one of the lucky ones, too. I was given the choice of 11 pups and chose Moxie. She was a winner over all of her siblings and some others at a match, then I was hooked. I knew NOTHING about GSDs, the show ring or breeding. But Jim and I had fun. We showed her when she was all gangly (I did the honors) when she had 3 hairs, and was talked into sending her across country to be shown. (I flew out one day, and brought her home... didn't like what was happening). The she started winning, and winning and winning. Got her CDX (and CGC and played at herding and lure coursing all at the same time). Then Bred her to a great stud... and the litter did produce one Champion (not owned by me... a coat). But she hated the rings, all of them. So she was just Moxie in the House. But then my luck held and bred her litter sister (who won her one point, but wouldn't make it in the ring, and I knew it... she was my son's dog) And had the most beautiful litter ever seen. I got my futurity wins, Mex. GVx, Majors and Major Reserves... they were just flying at me. Life and age intervened.... But I have wonderful memories and KNOW that I was purely and simply LUCKY. Breeder who have breeding for years and consitently, with their lines, win in all rings know what they heck they are doing. Sure, luck plays into it - but behind the luck is hard work, knowledge and persistence in developing their lines into their image of what they want the GSD to be. Stormy On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Pat Evans wrote: I am the very rare newbie. And I know it. Take it one step at a time. And know that everyone sees things (dogs) with their own eyes. If you purchased your pup because you wanted a great GSD - I suspect you got that. If you purchased his to be a top notch show dog-that's hard to do! When they come out of mama-wet-you can see form. You can put them in he show ring 2 years later-and they can hate it. It took a year of looking to find my foundation bitch. Lots of learning and listening along the way. Had I not listened to mentors I'd have screwed up! Hang in there. It's a super breed and my take on those idiots bad mouthing GSD's is they are either jealous or stupid. I'll be nice- they need more special high intensity training Pat Evans On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx> wrote: Thanks, Pat! Nice story and congrats on having such an accomplished dog!!!! I don't think I am a lucky newbie...dang!!! Oh, well!!! I can dream right!!!!! :-) :-) Sara On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Pat Evans wrote: Sara, I'm a newbie too-but a lucky one! I've had German Shepherds for 8 years, got into showing by accident. My first show pup was an extremely sweet and special one. If you looked at the breed standard - he didn't quite "fit". He was longer than a freight train-but everything else was super. He didn't have a name handler. Generally jr handlers-that we're very talented - and finally Ross Farrell started handling him. Spunky became 8X BISS Sel Ch Konigin's Phantom of the Opera. I was extremely lucky When he was shown-he was the best dog on that particular day! I now have his son, and grandsons. His son is Ch Konigin's Storms A' Brewing. So-a newbie thats blessed with some sp Pat Evans cial The Mother and Son Team, With Over 50 years Of Combined, Local Real Estate Experience! Do you know of anyone thinking of buying or selling a home? Please give us a call at 817-308-6571, with their name and number. It would be our pleasure to help them. Search the entire mls at www.OnlineTexasHomes.com On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx> wrote: > Thank you Zoe and Stormy! I am trying here!! > > I hear you but I am still trying to understand........ :-( > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================