"As far as I am concerned there is no place on earth for them. " That statement sent shivers through me, literally made me shiver. And made me incredibly sad. And then disappointed. Over the years there are many many many breeders that have thought as carefully as you ( generic you ) as to their breeding program. Temperament is KEY when breeding any breed and reputable and responsible breeders of "pit bulls" strive for it. A well bred "pit bull" can be just as safe around children/adults and other animals as a well bred GSD or any other well bred breed. The GSD ( as well as other breeds ) are also being used for drug houses etc etc. Those scum breed nasty temperament to nasty temperament to get that nasty dog. It is not limited to the "pit bull". My personal experiences with the breed have been nothing but positive. I have fostered many and will continue to foster them. Just like the human animal, some are sweethearts and some are damaged goods. The damaged goods ones, just like humans, are pessimistic.....but they can be taught that life truly is a treasure chest of fun and love. And no, I don't wear rose colored glasses, I realize there are some that are far beyond help and the kindest thing is to release them from the mind pain they are in. The owners of those dogs are the ones that deserve the statement " As far as I am concerned there is no place on earth for them." Instead of trashing the breed, why not look for solutions? Colleen Donnelly Sally <sally@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I totally agree with Carolyn- the dogs are doing what they were bred to do. As far as I am concerned there is no place on earth for them. When all of my grandchildren come to play I am very careful with my dogs. They do not know children and the noise and activity of 4 under 6 is unreal. If one of my dogs hurt a child they would be gone. My grandchildren only play with the ones that grew up with them none of the older generation. (and when I can't stand the noise anylonger I go to the Kennel with my ol people too) The first few years I groomed I tried a couple of pits and chows and then decided they were not allow in my grooming shop. You never know what may trigger them and they are much too strong for me to handle. sally ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BREED BETTERMENT REGISTRY The only way to understand & estimate the nature of the dog is to study his whole development. Such a task requires a sympathetic, dog-loving observer, who tries as far as possible to enter into the innermost mind of the dog, and who will know how to short-circuit all his purely human points of view. --Max von Stephanitz Whoever will only draw conclusions from the eminence of his own particular point of view, will obtain a distorted picture. --Max von Stephanitz --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================