[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: All Breed VS. Specialty
- From: ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:04:33 -0800 (PST)
John, I think that the national ring really separated the movers from the non
movers or even dogs that looked like good movers in a smaller ring. It would
have been nice to see some of those big winners on a loose lead though.
Congrats on your nice wins this weekends.
John Ayotte <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: While I agree with Carolyn that the
differences are mostly due to the
judges, I think that the ring size and footing plays a more important
role than she implies. A really good judge may be able to find the
best structured dogs in a small ring where the dogs cannot really get
into any sort of stride. Most judges, and most observers, need to see
the dog move where it has room to use itself to be sure that the
structure they see is really put together correctly to provide the
movement called for in the standard. When you can't truly see the
movement, you will be forced to judge the dogs on other virtues and
weight those other virtues disproportionately. You can't tell if a
GSD "...covers a great deal of ground, with long stride of both hind
legs and forelegs..." if there is no ground in the ring to cover :-)
On the other hand, there is no doubt that there are may all-breed
judges who do not know good GSD movement when they see it, and/or do
not place as much emphasis on it as the standard calls for.
Let's not even muddy the waters in this discussion with the many
exhibitors and judges who's opinion of what good movement is, or
who's interpretation of the standard is distorted... I'm not in the
mood for that holy war today :-)
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John Ayotte
john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Frankenhaus German Shepherds
http://www.jmadesign.com/Frankenhaus
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On Dec 12, 2005, at 11:56 AM, carolyn mckenna wrote:
> It's not a difference in the "two types of shows", Ed. It's
> the judges.
> 75% of the ab judges don't know a GS from a Malinois. You need to
> find out about the judge before you enter a good dog at an ab show.
> I know of at least three dogs who placed at the national who were
> put
> up this past weekend at ab shows.. It's not the show------it's
> that person
> in the center of the ring. In addition, a good judge doesn't need
> a huge
> ring to find the best dog even though we prefer it. Our standard
> states,
> "At a walk, it covers a great deal of ground, with long stride of
> both hind
> legs and forelegs." Actually, about the only element that cannot
> be seen
> in a small ring is rear extension.
>
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