Kathaleen, I agree that it is time for the GSD fancy to fly under the radar for awhile.? However, there is no excuse, EVER, for a Rep to put hands on any exhibitor.? The people directly involved should make AKC aware of any violations that occured.? The folks that weren't involved should stay out of it at this point.? I hope that this will be a learning lesson for all.? If such an incident happens in the future, call the police and report it to the show Super immediately.? Don't tolerate anyone putting hands on you but do conduct yourself in a respectful manner, especially at AB shows.? But, don't be fooled that a Rep won't show up at specialties either.? That was the feel I got when talking to Gaeta.? He seems to have a mission as well, and it is the GSD fancy at the moment.? As a side note, I do show at AB shows a lot as I am also a vendor.? I have people complain to me all the time about the doubling in GSD's.? I remark that I see doubling in other breed rings and get told that it does happen, but never as obnoxious as the GSD ring.? So I have no doubt that AKC gets tons of complaints about us.? ? I also agree that if we continue down this road of thinking we can do whatever we want at shows, we will suffer for it.? Time to back off?is a good idea.? I don't think this is over so it's also time to document and report anything that is over the line.? Get witnesses and make sure that we are not the cause of the problem?and are?the victim.?? JMHO Laura Thomas?????? ? -----Original Message----- From: Kathaleen Strong <listmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: gretchanya@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 9:45 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: AKC Rep, etc Welcome to the world of what it will be like if the AKC cracks down on it because of complaints. Trust me... back off on this. Doubling is a gray area -- if they receive too many complaints from other breeds and too many complaints from GSD people who are bemoaning their treatment because one rep cracked down on it, we're going to be living with this everywhere. My only question would have been to the Rep would be, have you written up the judge for allowing this perceived doubling to continue?? Kathaleen -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Becky T. Dickson Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:30 AM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] AKC Rep, etc Kathaleen wrote: 4) If you plan on showing at All Breed shows and your dog "needs" doubling -- teach him/her 3 different INNOCOUS sounds to accomplish it with -- and teach them to bait if they will. While I can't argue with the rest of your post, I think I should clarify what exhibitors endured in Fitchburg. I was not at the morning show, which apparently started the commotion with this Rep. But I was at the following three shows. The second day, I was yelled at for walking to another side of the ring. She thought I was doubling. I didn't even walk fast - and I didn't have a dog in the ring at the time. The third show, I walked by her and she heard the bell tink in my pocket. Then I got thrown out. None of that behavior was obnoxious, loud or disrespectful. But it seems to me that after whatever happened at the show I was not at, she was on a mission. Becky T. Dickson www.GretchAnya.com www.GSDbyDesign.com www.georgeberstler.com ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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