[realmusicians] Re: Perplexity!
- From: D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:58:26 -0500
Well if you made the xml file with an IDE setup, then yest it'll only work
on that; sata drives are configured differently and thus show up
differently to the OS.
HTH, D!J!X!
-----Original Message-----
From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 8:56 AM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Perplexity!
Well, I've used this on several machines with different drive configs, and
the only difference in his machines and mine is he's got ahci mode turned
on.
We like to get other stuff out of the way, just to be safe, unplug extra
drives in case windows takes a motion to install to them, you know how drive
id's can get switched around.
I'm hoping by the time I really need to move to 64 bit for good, we'll have
a talking install all the way through like the mac, with the bios long gone
or on the way out 'grin'.
It's time for it to happen.
At 06:37 AM 12/2/2011, you wrote:
>The configuration on those computers are probably different, drive
>wise, which is probably why your xml file isn't working; it's not meant
>to be a universal tool, depending on what you used to create it; a lot
>of people use the waik, which is usually system type specific.
>If your drive is listed on controller 1-1 or 2-0, and his is on 0-1 or
>0-0 or 3-1 for that matter, it won't work... That's why I personally
>don't do automated installs, windows doesn't need more power than it
>already has over us!
>
>HTH, D!J!X!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 3:15 AM
>To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Perplexity!
>
>He's got images someone did for him, but when he tries to use the xml
>file that works for me just fine, it's hanging some place, and we need
>to get sighted help to see what's up.
>
>Probably asking for a driver like we think.
>
>Bet if ahci mode were turned off, it'd just go.
>
>I know for sure when installing in place, even with 32 bit w7, it likes
>an ntfs partition to go to, or it'll refuse to go, wanting drivers, but
>if you have an ntfs partition it'll just go.
>
>silly dumb windows 'grin'[.
>
>
>At 12:17 AM 12/2/2011, you wrote:
> >Yea, in all the systems I've built, never had issues with windows7
> >not starting up because of sata drivers. It sounds like your friend
> >is having another issue, because even if windows 7 can't find your
> >drives, it'll prompt you for drivers after setup loads, so it will at
> >least load the first part of setup. After you do the first few steps,
> >it'll ask you to load drivers from USB or other media because it
> >didn't find them. If it's not starting up at all for him/her, it
> >could be a bad disc, bad cd drive, bad RAM, any other issue. Is that a
new build?
> >
> >HTH, D!J!X!
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
> >Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:36 PM
> >To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Perplexity!
> >
> >So your saying windows 7 goes in for you whether ahci mode is on or off?
> >
> >I've got a friend who can't install w7 or xp on his machine from
> >scratch, and we think it's because of the ahci being turned on.
> >
> >Maybe he's got a controler not in the w7 build he's got, but I just
> >bet it's hanging up wanting a text mode driver.
> >
> >I still like to leave that turned off though, I don't need to hotswap
> >sata and I think it works better, and daw vendors even if they're not
> >blind, up till recently anyway, tended to leave this off, there must
> >be some other reason, I know adk did that, and MJim doesn't think
> >there's much difference in performance, not enough to matter anyway.
> >
> >
> >At 08:18 AM 12/1/2011, you wrote:
> > >Well I've never had an issue with windows 7 or vista needing sata
> > >drivers, but xp was written in the days of ide, it doesn't know
> > >anything about sata, back then that was still an idea on paper.
> > >Luckily SAS was around and they needed a third party plug-in
> > >systemn, so that saved our butts! But in windows 7/8/vista this is
> > >not a
>problem...
> > >
> > >HTH, D!J!X!
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
> > >Belle
> > >Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:48 AM
> > >To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Perplexity!
> > >
> > >Thanks for the refresher DJX, I got an xml file to do all that, but
> > >just incase, I ever need to try and do it from memory, this will help.
> > >
> > >Yeh, when the bios goes away, good ridence to those damned text
> > >mode drivers 'grin'.
> > >
> > >Ain't it ridiculous that window's can't see the drives, and they're
> >running?
> > >
> > >
> > >At 10:09 PM 11/30/2011, you wrote:
> > > >You can't run xp setup from 7, because you're trying to go backwards.
> > > >You have to do an outside of windows install.
> > > >You'll need sited assistance or know your system well to do it by
>memory.
> > > >First thing's first, if your sata chipset is set to raid or ahci,
> > > >get text mode drivers for the controller, or windows xp will
> > > >either crash with a BOSD (Blue Screen of Deaf) or give you the
> > > >"Nno installable disks
> > >were found"
> > > >error.
> > > >Another bigger problem, you'll need a floppy drive (built-in or
> > > >external) with those drivers on a disk. During the setup startup
> > > >there's a portion where you press f6 to load these drivers and
> > > >select the controler etc. If this is too much to deal with, go to
> > > >bios, and set the sata mode or sata type to legacy/IDE. This will
> > > >run normally without drivers and the f6/floppy drive.
> > > >Now, another issue which is probably why this isn't working for
> > > >you in the first place, when your computer is starting up, either
> > > >2 things
> >happen:
> > > >1. it might display a quick prompt that says "press any key to
> > > >boot from
> > >CD"
> > > >in which case you would strike a key on the keyboard and the
> > > >computer would boot from CD instead, and therefore start the xp
setup.
> > > >2. The computer might expect you to press a key (usually f12,
> > > >f11, or
> > > >f10) as it's booting up to enter boot menu or startup options. In
> > > >this menu, it shows you the various drives, you would then select
> > > >cd rom from the list, and it will proceed to boot from CD and
> > > >load setup. Note that when using this option it'll most likely
> > > >also ask you to press a key to boot from CD, even after you've
> > > >selected the cd drive from the list; it's a security feature.
> > > > From there you would load setup, press enter to start, press f8
> > > >to accept license, use the partition manager to delete the
> > > >current partitions, press enter on the drive/space you'd like to
> > > >use, select a format type, and it'll start copying.
> > > >After that, it'll restart after 10-20 mins, and load more stuff,
> > > >then it'll launch the OOBE (out of box experience) ask for the
> > > >user
>info etc.
> > > >
> > > >HTH, D!J!X!
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Indigo
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:12 PM
> > > >To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [realmusicians] Perplexity!
> > > >
> > > >Win7 64 doesn't seem to want to let me do a clean install of Win
> > > >XP
> > > >32 on top of it.
> > > >It's acting like Hal did in the movie, what's its name, Space
> > > >Odyssey 2001?,
> > > >Win7 doesn't want to die.
> > > >I tried every way I know.
> > > > Autorun on the Win Xp install disk doesn't autorun.
> > > > Setup.exe is grayed out on the XP install disk, and does not
> > > >respond to either clicking from enter; or the physical mouse left
>click.
> > > >I thought I'd fool the machine by leaving the XP install disk in
> > > >the DVD drive, closed the tray, shut down the computer, waited a
> > > >bit, then turned power on, but the XP install disk was ignored
> > > >and
> > > >Win7 booted up
> > >normally.
> > > >I don't get it, what else is there to do?
> > > >I don't want to image this Win7 somewhere else, I don't need it.
> > > >I have it elsewhere on disk already.
> > > >Could I format drive C from within Win7?
> > > >I didn't try that, I supposed it wouldn't let me do it.
> > > >Should I partition the 1.5 TB drive first, and try to install XP
> > > >on that partition?
> > > >I thought that I'd have a problem when the computer re booted
> > > >during the installation process, it would boot to drive C where
> > > >Win7 is installed, and not to the partition where I was trying to
>install XP.
> > > >
> > > >If I can, I'd rather do a clean install of drive C with XP, and
> > > >wipe out Win7, then partition later, if that's possible.
> > > >No, I don't have external tools, there's no floppy drive for
> > > >those little disk forematting and partitioning tools, and the
> > > >tools I do have on CD are miserably slow I forematted a 160 GB
> > > >drive once with them, and it took all day, it might take eternity
> > > >to foremat a 1.5 TB drive, I have to do it with Windows tools.
> > > >.Thanks for any advice,
> > > >Indigo L
> > >
> > >For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit
> > >us at
> > >
> > >www.affordablestudioservices.com
> > >or contact
> > >Chris Belle
> > >cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >or
> > >Stephie Belle
> > >stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >for customized web design
> >
> >For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit us
> >at
> >
> >www.affordablestudioservices.com
> >or contact
> >Chris Belle
> >cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >or
> >Stephie Belle
> >stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >for customized web design
>
>For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit us
>at
>
>www.affordablestudioservices.com
>or contact
>Chris Belle
>cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>or
>Stephie Belle
>stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>for customized web design
For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit us at
www.affordablestudioservices.com
or contact
Chris Belle
cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
or
Stephie Belle
stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
for customized web design
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