I would also add that the flicker image that you referred us to, did look like it was a little less than precise as to the dodge and burn on the bridge. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype : ejprinter _____ From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EJ Neilsen Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:56 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Skies IT is a whole new way of exposing and imaging; HDR. High Density Range. It really draws on existing ideas. Early photogs would do this because their film simply was so bad at seeing blue, two exposures would be made; one for the sky and one for the foreground. As film got better, then the filtering techniques could be used. Today we have Photoshop and other imaging tools that allow combination of negs that in the old ways, some here would no doubt call a PITA. As for slide films and transparency film, You can pull the heck out of it if your primary concern is density range and not color. You can fix most of the color later with proper print and use of the color head or now with scanning and PS. Again filters are still a possible answer to start with and those can be either full coverage or split filters. Masking techniques were around long before PS. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype : ejprinter _____ From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Justin F. Knotzke Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:19 AM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Skies On 14/05/07, Sauerwald Mark <mark_sauerwald@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: You can also do a similar technique with a double exposure in camera, with a graded neutral density filter, stacked with the colour filter. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattgarner/498016050/ It's all the rage now on Flickr and other sites.. Take multiple exposures and blend 'em in Photoshop. I believe there's some sort of plugin that does it for you.. When I first saw these images appear on the Web, my first instinct was "damn, that's impressive" until I would flip through the rest of their portfolio and realized that not all the images looked like that.. Then I did some digging and realized it was a gimmick. Unless you are a photojournalist, or someone who prides in presenting images that have not been modified in anyway, I think the rule of thumb is to push it until the viewer knows something is fishy. I'm sure getting decent skies can be done through double exposures etc.. That's fine. http://www.picture-box.com/Resources/Barry-Thornton-1.jpg Is he using just a filter to hold in the sky and the ground ? J -- Justin F. Knotzke jknotzke@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.shampoo.ca