Just came back from Photokina, and I'll tell you, silver based photography is not dead. Nikon introduced a new film-based camera the Nikon F6. Forget Kodak, Ilford or Agfa for film and paper. They are just not interested anymore. On the other hand, Kentmere, Foma, Bergger, Maco and Adox are getting stronger. Forte (Hungry) is gone, went bankrupt a few weeks ago. Remember not all of these manufacturers make their own products, Kentmere, Foma and Adox do of which only the last two make film. Amazing! Rollei sponsored Maco to make 120 roll film in response to their camera customer requests and fears. It sells in wooden boxes at 66 rolls per box. 120 roll-film availability may become the first issue for traditional photographers. Apparently, there are only 2 or 3 manufacturers for the paper backing in the world. Most exciting to me was the introduction of three brand new real-large-format lenses by Schneider for the 11x14 and 20x24!!! format. They told me, there is a market. Believe it or not, the Hasselblad rep (about 25 years of age), told me to sell my old! Hasselblad 501c equipment and by a 22M pixel H1D for $18,000. I think not. It was pretty much a digital show. Nevertheless, you were able to find everything needed for traditional photography at Photokina 2004. Regards Ralph W. Lambrecht ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.