[pure-silver] Re: Deteriorating movie film

  • From: john stockdale <j.sto@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:56:10 +1000

Thank you Bob and Richard,

I will investigate and see which films smell the most if I can. They are on open sided metal reels without cases and are all in one big horrible pile. But my years as a wine importer might help me locate the most offending films.

Bob, I have made some casual inquiries about scanning but have not had much luck. (This is in Australia). At least some of the Kodachrome films are impressively sharp so I'd like good quality scanning done. I know that the very best job would be prohibitively expensive (frame by frame scanning) , but the quantity is such (thousands of feet) that I could buy some gear, do the job, and then resell it. Only the silent home movies interest me, so that simplifies to an extent. Do you have any ideas about the type of equipment that could be used?

Once agian, thanks for your help.

John

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BOB KISS wrote:
DEAR JOHN,
        The first thing I would do is separate the Kodachrome from the B&W.
Then see which one (if not both) is (are) emitting the acidic smell.  There
is the possibility that, if the films had unstable acetate bases they would,
in the presence of moisture and warmth, deteriorate into acetic acid and
other goodies.  I am also worried that what you might be smelling is nitric
acid from nitrate film.  If this is the case you have a very serious fire
hazard on your hands.  To test for this, take a small snip of the b&w film
FAR AWAY from the reels in a fire safe place like over the kitchen sink.
Hold it with tweezers and light it with a match.  If it burns like a very
fast fuse (Pssst!) then you have nitrate and a significant storage challenge
at hand.  If it is acetate it will melt and blacken slowly but not burn
fast.  You will still have a problem if the acetate base is deteriorating
into acetic acid but not a fire hazard. I am sure that many who reply will insist that nitrate films went
out in the 30s or, at the latest, 40s but you might be surprised.  I
discovered some nitrate film in some local collections of negatives.  Beyond
the fire concerns nitrate film must be segregated from other film or the
nitric acid will cause image deterioration of the other films. In any case it is time to find one of those 16mm scanning services that will convert your films into DVDs. CHEERS! BOB
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Subject: [pure-silver] Deteriorating movie film

I have just retrieved from storage a large box of 16mm movie film from the 1950s. Some is Kodachrome taken by my father, and some are black and white commercial copies from the US of various types of entertainment, such as cartoons, Charlie Chaplin, travelogues etc.

The box smells strongly of acetic acid, which I understand is the result of some breakdown of the films. Can anyone tell me if the two types of film are equally likely to deteriorate, or would there be a difference between the Kodachrome and the black and white commercial films? The colour of the Kodachrome looks very good.

John Stockdale
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