[pure-silver] Re: Cleaning a Drum Dryer
- From: john stockdale <j.sto@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:07:33 +1000
I dry fibre prints in a flat bed dryer with the emulsion facing the cloth,
i.e. not ferrotyping. Even without toning, I've noticed miniscule fibres
from the cloth well and truly stuck to the emulsion. I use the usual
sulphite/bisulphite wash aid. Am I correct in assuming that a hardening
bath after the wash aid but before the main washing would make the fibres
less likely to adhere?
John Stockdale
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Bogdan wrote:
Hi,
When I was doing the sepia toning, it was written on the instructions that
a hardener should be used after toning because the bleaching process
renders the paper soft. Do they mean that the bleach "eats" away the
protective layer of gelatin coating in order to get at the emulsion?????
I did not use a hardener and noticed that on several of my prints,
there were motes of dust imbedded in the paper. I took one print and
tried to rub off the dust but to no avail. That's when I realized that it
was imbedded in the paper, but which layer, emulsion layer or was there
still some gelatin left, despite the bleaching?
Cheers,
Bogdan
Richard Knoppow wrote:
snip
The Baryta layer _is_ a coating of gelatin. It is the sizing for the
paper. Most papers have more than one layer but the number of layers
also has to do with what sort of texture the paper is to have. Note that
there is a difference between texture and surface: texture is gotten by
callendering the paper before the emulsion is coated and texture is
usually from something in the overcoating (like talc).
Generally fiber paper has three basic coatings: the baryta layer, the
emulsion coated over this, and a protective layer of gelatin coated over
the emulsion. This protective layer is what is used to obtain the very
smooth surface when ferrotyping.
Dave Valvo, who is on this list, is a former Kodak paper expert and
can unboubtedly provide more complete information.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Bogdan Karasek
Montréal, Québec bogdan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Canada www.bogdanphoto.com
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Hi,When I was doing the sepia toning, it was written on the instructions that a hardener should be used after toning because the bleaching process renders the paper soft. Do they mean that the bleach "eats" away the protective layer of gelatin coating in order to get at the emulsion?????
I did not use a hardener and noticed that on several of my prints, there were motes of dust imbedded in the paper. I took one print and tried to rub off the dust but to no avail. That's when I realized that it was imbedded in the paper, but which layer, emulsion layer or was there still some gelatin left, despite the bleaching?
Cheers, Bogdan Richard Knoppow wrote: snip
The Baryta layer _is_ a coating of gelatin. It is the sizing for the paper. Most papers have more than one layer but the number of layers also has to do with what sort of texture the paper is to have. Note that there is a difference between texture and surface: texture is gotten by callendering the paper before the emulsion is coated and texture is usually from something in the overcoating (like talc). Generally fiber paper has three basic coatings: the baryta layer, the emulsion coated over this, and a protective layer of gelatin coated over the emulsion. This protective layer is what is used to obtain the very smooth surface when ferrotyping. Dave Valvo, who is on this list, is a former Kodak paper expert and can unboubtedly provide more complete information.--- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ==============================================================________________________________________________________________
Bogdan Karasek
Montréal, Québec bogdan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Canada www.bogdanphoto.com
"I photograph my reality"
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