[pure-silver] Re: Chromatic Aberration of Enlarging Lenses
- From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:14:25 -0700
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From: "Georges Giralt" <georges.giralt@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:53 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Chromatic Aberration of Enlarging
Lenses
Richard Knoppow a icrit :
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph W. Lambrecht"
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To: "PureSilverNew" <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Chromatic Aberration of
Enlarging Lenses
I achieve the best focus by focusing with white light
only. Then, I swing
the MC filters into the optical path for the exposure.
Focusing with Y/M
light creates a focusing problem, due to the chromatic
aberration of the
human eye, which gets worse towards red. Focusing with
white light seems to
fix that. However, the use of a blue filter turned out
to add no benefit to
the white-light focus in any of my tests.
With some people the chromatic aberration of their eyes
is so bad that they
cannot focus on red light at all. If you have a red-LED
alarm clock, try to
focus on the timing display and the surrounding area at
the same time, it
might be difficult to do. This is worse in dim light,
because your eye's
aperture is around f/2 in dim light. In bright light, it
gets up to f/8 and
you get the benefit of depth of field.
Another example is a newer model-year VW's instrument
panel (dash board).
The designers decided to use blue and red together in
the displays. The two
colors are at the opposite extremes of the visual
spectrum. Hard to focus on
both. IMHO, that's an ergonomic faux-pas by VW.
Regards
Ralph W. Lambrecht
http://www.darkroomagic.com
Ralph, do you wear glasses? I am curious about this
because I have had problems with blue being out of focus
at night due to a wrong prescription for corrective
lenses. For some time blue neon signs and similar sources
looked blurred. When I switched ODs and got glasses which
were right this effect went away.
I find I can get well focused prints using either white
light or focusing with variable contrast filters in
place. I use a simple grain focuser called a Magnasite,
it has about a 20X eyepiece in it, evidently a simple
achromat.
I can see the chromatic in camera lenses using a very
high quality magnifier and looking at either the ground
glass or the aerial image. The difference between old
Tessars and an Apochromatic Artar are quite obvious.
There is fringing visible on sharply defined highlights
as the focus moved through the sharpest point on many
lenses.
There is no question that some enlarging lenses
probably have serious chromatic in the UV region,
however, one wonders if there is enough UV available from
common enlarging lamps to result in a problem. The Kodak
warning applied to a particular lens of very old design.
It was pretty common in the period from the beginning
of photoraphy until perhaps the mid-1920's to speak of
visual vs: chemical focus. This was partly due to many
lenses having poor achromatism in the blue-UV region and
partly from the use of photographic materials primarily
sensitive to blue and UV light.
FWIW, I use Schneider Compon-S lenses for all but 2-1/4
x 2-1/4 where I have an older Componon and also a Kodak
Enlarging Ektar. I can't tell much difference between
these two but use the Componon mostly.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Richard and Ralph
I wear glasses since I'm a kid.
Lastly I was obliged to go multifocal (*). Age.....
I've noticed that some chistmas tree lights of violet
color give 2 images with my multifocal glasses, laterallly
shifted : One blue, one red. the distance between the
position of the two images vary when I move my head to
have my vision pass to a different part of my glasses (not
trying to focus). So I've tryed to look at these lamps
without glasses and the blurred image was quite unique. It
seems tha my chromatic aberation is less that the one of
my glasses (which I doubt, BTW)
The test above had been done with my latest Essilor
Varilux glasses and previous Sola prescription with the
same effect.
Since that time, Ive calibrated my enlarger focuser in
order to ba able to focus without glasses and I use it
like that. (in white light, also)
* I wonder if this is the correct English term for this
kind of prescription glasses, as the focal variation is
continuous from far to near provided you move your head up
or down to have your view through different part of the
glass.
--
I know the type of glasses you mean, they are called
progressive in English, at least in the US. I no longer
have any focusing range. I tried tri-focal glasses some
years ago an hated them. They were fine for a job I was
doing at the time but horrible for anything else. The
close-up part got in the way of distance vision especially
when I was driving and the close-up part was useless because
I can read without glasses. I wound up with standard glasses
for distant vision. I also use contact lenses. These are
corrected for infinity and I carry about thee pair of
drugstore reading glasses. Works OK but is a bother.
Fortunately, my vision is still pretty good other than the
presbyopia and mild myopia.
Strong spectacles can cause problems. High index glass,
which makes them thinner and lighter, brings with it high
dispersion, even with the LD types. This can cause color
fringing from chromatic aberration. It could be fixed by
using a cemented doublet but that would be very expensive
and perhaps too thick and heavy. Contact lenses work pretty
well and seem to have less chromatic and distortion than
spectacles. They work for me because I can tollerate them
and do not need particularly strong lenses.
I suppose I should be glad that my vision can be
corrected but it sure would be nice to have the vision I had
when I was about 10 years old.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Richard and Ralph
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph W. Lambrecht" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "PureSilverNew" <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Chromatic Aberration of Enlarging Lenses
I achieve the best focus by focusing with white light only. Then, I swing
the MC filters into the optical path for the exposure. Focusing with Y/M
light creates a focusing problem, due to the chromatic aberration of the
human eye, which gets worse towards red. Focusing with white light seems to
fix that. However, the use of a blue filter turned out to add no benefit to
the white-light focus in any of my tests.
With some people the chromatic aberration of their eyes is so bad that they
cannot focus on red light at all. If you have a red-LED alarm clock, try to
focus on the timing display and the surrounding area at the same time, it
might be difficult to do. This is worse in dim light, because your eye's
aperture is around f/2 in dim light. In bright light, it gets up to f/8 and
you get the benefit of depth of field.
Another example is a newer model-year VW's instrument panel (dash board).
The designers decided to use blue and red together in the displays. The two
colors are at the opposite extremes of the visual spectrum. Hard to focus on
both. IMHO, that's an ergonomic faux-pas by VW.
Regards
Ralph W. Lambrecht
http://www.darkroomagic.com
Ralph, do you wear glasses? I am curious about this because I have had problems with blue being out of focus at night due to a wrong prescription for corrective lenses. For some time blue neon signs and similar sources looked blurred. When I switched ODs and got glasses which were right this effect went away.
I find I can get well focused prints using either white light or focusing with variable contrast filters in place. I use a simple grain focuser called a Magnasite, it has about a 20X eyepiece in it, evidently a simple achromat.
I can see the chromatic in camera lenses using a very high quality magnifier and looking at either the ground glass or the aerial image. The difference between old Tessars and an Apochromatic Artar are quite obvious. There is fringing visible on sharply defined highlights as the focus moved through the sharpest point on many lenses.
There is no question that some enlarging lenses probably have serious chromatic in the UV region, however, one wonders if there is enough UV available from common enlarging lamps to result in a problem. The Kodak warning applied to a particular lens of very old design.
It was pretty common in the period from the beginning of photoraphy until perhaps the mid-1920's to speak of visual vs: chemical focus. This was partly due to many lenses having poor achromatism in the blue-UV region and partly from the use of photographic materials primarily sensitive to blue and UV light.
FWIW, I use Schneider Compon-S lenses for all but 2-1/4 x 2-1/4 where I have an older Componon and also a Kodak Enlarging Ektar. I can't tell much difference between these two but use the Componon mostly.
--- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I wear glasses since I'm a kid.
Lastly I was obliged to go multifocal (*). Age.....
I've noticed that some chistmas tree lights of violet color give 2 images with my multifocal glasses, laterallly shifted : One blue, one red. the distance between the position of the two images vary when I move my head to have my vision pass to a different part of my glasses (not trying to focus). So I've tryed to look at these lamps without glasses and the blurred image was quite unique. It seems tha my chromatic aberation is less that the one of my glasses (which I doubt, BTW)
The test above had been done with my latest Essilor Varilux glasses and previous Sola prescription with the same effect.
Since that time, Ive calibrated my enlarger focuser in order to ba able to focus without glasses and I use it like that. (in white light, also)
* I wonder if this is the correct English term for this kind of prescription glasses, as the focal variation is continuous from far to near provided you move your head up or down to have your view through different part of the glass.
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- [pure-silver] Re: Chromatic Aberration of Enlarging Lenses
- From: Ralph W. Lambrecht
- [pure-silver] Re: Chromatic Aberration of Enlarging Lenses
- From: Richard Knoppow
- [pure-silver] Re: Chromatic Aberration of Enlarging Lenses
- From: Georges Giralt