Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming tutorials
- From: Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 11:24:50 -0600
Media wiki is nowhere near that dificult. I think we'll choose soemthing with
accessibility in mind, seeing as we're all using readers.
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
http://tds-solutions.net
Twitter: sorressean
On Jul 8, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> Wow, missed this thread somehow over the last few days. It got big!
>
> thoughts on Wiki:
>
> We use Wiki at my company through sharepoint server. I hate it. Jaws
> won't read the edit fields properly, you can't get the style-changing
> keys to work properly and it is just a beat down. I finally just
> started editing stuff in plain html using notepad and then pasting it
> into the edit field while the richtext feature was turned off. This
> wiki language posted here looks pretty simple but it doesn't resemble
> the wiki I am familiar with.
>
> How would editing work on it? Would we need to edit stuff in notepad
> and cut and paste? Or will the plugin or whatever that drives the
> richtext editing on the site be accessible? How much time will this
> project take up for contributers? Reason I proposed what I did is
> because one page is easily kept up. You get a list of external links
> that are organized in subject-specific headings. You use the h1 tag
> for the languages, h2 for the tutorial section and another h2 for the
> accesible IDE and compilers section of that language. The links are
> placed in an unorder list area using the ul and /ul tags. You can
> quickly brows down the headings and jump from list to list with a
> single key in most screen readers. At the top of the page would be a
> list of same page links so people can either jump to where they want
> to go from there or use the link list feature in screen readers like
> Jaws to quickly navigate to the spot of the page they want. Greatly
> reduces the possibility of someone getting lost amidst a bunch of
> pages. It's one-stop shopping but, this time, custom-built so that no
> funky clutter impeeds navigation. A single page would be immensely
> portable this way. No files to keep up with except the html file it's
> written on. all you have to do to keep it up to date is make sure all
> the links still work. To help with this, make sure there is a
> sendmail link at the bottom of the page or scattered throughout the
> page where visitors can shoot the person responsible for the upkeep a
> quick heads-up on a broken link or suggest new additions to it. It's
> not as glamorous as a whole site just for us but, it has the virtue of
> being compact and portable along with potentially being low
> maintenance.
>
> As for files, maybe, as a precaution, you can download some of the
> single- file tutorials in case a link breaks but, I don't think the
> net will run out of tutorials any time soon. Storing files containing
> the IDE's and Compilers doesn't make sense to me either. Versions
> get upgraded and the like.
>
> Thanks.
> Alex M
>
>
> On 7/7/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Just look for wiki macro language but let me give you an example
>>
>> ### this is a header
>>
>>
>> * list item 1
>> * list item 2
>> * list item 3
>>
>> [link to new page]
>>
>>
>>
>> If you saved the above it would make a page with a header and a list with
>> three items and a link to a blank page. Then you could hit enter on that
>> page and make changes to it. You can make a page like blind programming so
>> fast its not funny. You can also use real html in the edit boxes but you
>> don't need to.
>>
>> ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:48 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>> tutorials
>>
>> hmmmm, Jim tried that, and for some reason it didn't go anywhere. but we
>> could try, where do I find info on this wikki language?
>>
>> elf
>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>> for blind computer users and programmers
>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:16 PM
>> Subject: RE: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>> tutorials
>>
>>
>>> I don't understand why we don't get a droople page set up. If people are
>>> interested I will talk to APH about hosting a true droople site for blind
>>> programmers. I would end up being the one choosing editors so I could let
>>> any number of you guys edit the page. It would be done with the simple
>>> wiki
>>> language and would be easy to use.
>>>
>>> What do you all think?
>>>
>>> ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 6:46 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>> tutorials
>>>
>>> alright, sounds great, as I said in my post, I would do the work, but my
>>> time is getting squeezed out of existence, adding one page link will be no
>>> trouble, its the maintenance and such that would wring me out.
>>>
>>> I'll send you a blanked body page so all the color and other stuff matches
>>> the site, and you just fill in the body, I usually use H2 headers for a
>>> section like changing from the C section to the C++ one, and h3 for sub
>>> divisions within a section myself, but as long as it's navagateable its
>>> great.
>>>
>>> elf
>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>> tutorials
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello, Elf,
>>>>
>>>> I would be willing to write the page. I can send it to you and you
>>>> could link it to your site. I don't have website hosting at the
>>>> moment or I'd do it. It would make much more sense to place it in a
>>>> frequented site like yours or the blind developers' site though.
>>>>
>>>> Could structure it by giving each language a heading with links to the
>>>> corresponding tutorials in an unordered list. Make it quick to
>>>> navigate that way. Would also make sense to link any editors, ide's
>>>> and compilers within it as well so it's a one-stop experience. I
>>>> think this would make for a flexible format because if someone wants
>>>> to let us know about a link to tutorials for a language we don't have,
>>>> all we have to do is add a heading for it
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Alex M
>>>> ps There's another Alex out here somewhere. Figured I'd sign with my
>>>> last initial to keep confusion to a minimum.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/2/10, The Elf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> if someone will update and send me the page I will add it to my site, I
>>>>> just
>>>>> don't have the time right now to do decent updating on the grab bag
>>>>> since
>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> have to have the beta version of my pencil and paper RPG game ready to
>>>>> roll
>>>>> in a few months and am short on useable time as it is
>>>>>
>>>>> elf
>>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>>>> tutorials
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Go up to http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org or the Elf's grab bag site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamal, I can pull information from this thread together and send to you
>>>>> for
>>>>> the FAQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>> Usability Services,
>>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
>>>>> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie
>>>>> McBride
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:04 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>>>> tutorials
>>>>>
>>>>> Blindprogramming.com seems like it's dead. This thread about tutorials
>>>>> & stuff is good, but it remains on this list. Any possibility we can
>>>>> get a wiki or something in which to store this info?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Change the world--1 deed at a time
>>>>> Jackie McBride
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