Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming tutorials
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 12:22:42 -0500
Wow, missed this thread somehow over the last few days. It got big!
thoughts on Wiki:
We use Wiki at my company through sharepoint server. I hate it. Jaws
won't read the edit fields properly, you can't get the style-changing
keys to work properly and it is just a beat down. I finally just
started editing stuff in plain html using notepad and then pasting it
into the edit field while the richtext feature was turned off. This
wiki language posted here looks pretty simple but it doesn't resemble
the wiki I am familiar with.
How would editing work on it? Would we need to edit stuff in notepad
and cut and paste? Or will the plugin or whatever that drives the
richtext editing on the site be accessible? How much time will this
project take up for contributers? Reason I proposed what I did is
because one page is easily kept up. You get a list of external links
that are organized in subject-specific headings. You use the h1 tag
for the languages, h2 for the tutorial section and another h2 for the
accesible IDE and compilers section of that language. The links are
placed in an unorder list area using the ul and /ul tags. You can
quickly brows down the headings and jump from list to list with a
single key in most screen readers. At the top of the page would be a
list of same page links so people can either jump to where they want
to go from there or use the link list feature in screen readers like
Jaws to quickly navigate to the spot of the page they want. Greatly
reduces the possibility of someone getting lost amidst a bunch of
pages. It's one-stop shopping but, this time, custom-built so that no
funky clutter impeeds navigation. A single page would be immensely
portable this way. No files to keep up with except the html file it's
written on. all you have to do to keep it up to date is make sure all
the links still work. To help with this, make sure there is a
sendmail link at the bottom of the page or scattered throughout the
page where visitors can shoot the person responsible for the upkeep a
quick heads-up on a broken link or suggest new additions to it. It's
not as glamorous as a whole site just for us but, it has the virtue of
being compact and portable along with potentially being low
maintenance.
As for files, maybe, as a precaution, you can download some of the
single- file tutorials in case a link breaks but, I don't think the
net will run out of tutorials any time soon. Storing files containing
the IDE's and Compilers doesn't make sense to me either. Versions
get upgraded and the like.
Thanks.
Alex M
On 7/7/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Just look for wiki macro language but let me give you an example
>
> ### this is a header
>
>
> * list item 1
> * list item 2
> * list item 3
>
> [link to new page]
>
>
>
> If you saved the above it would make a page with a header and a list with
> three items and a link to a blank page. Then you could hit enter on that
> page and make changes to it. You can make a page like blind programming so
> fast its not funny. You can also use real html in the edit boxes but you
> don't need to.
>
> ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:48 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
> tutorials
>
> hmmmm, Jim tried that, and for some reason it didn't go anywhere. but we
> could try, where do I find info on this wikki language?
>
> elf
> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
> www.alacorncomputer.com
> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
> for blind computer users and programmers
> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:16 PM
> Subject: RE: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
> tutorials
>
>
>>I don't understand why we don't get a droople page set up. If people are
>> interested I will talk to APH about hosting a true droople site for blind
>> programmers. I would end up being the one choosing editors so I could let
>> any number of you guys edit the page. It would be done with the simple
>> wiki
>> language and would be easy to use.
>>
>> What do you all think?
>>
>> ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 6:46 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>> tutorials
>>
>> alright, sounds great, as I said in my post, I would do the work, but my
>> time is getting squeezed out of existence, adding one page link will be no
>> trouble, its the maintenance and such that would wring me out.
>>
>> I'll send you a blanked body page so all the color and other stuff matches
>> the site, and you just fill in the body, I usually use H2 headers for a
>> section like changing from the C section to the C++ one, and h3 for sub
>> divisions within a section myself, but as long as it's navagateable its
>> great.
>>
>> elf
>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>> for blind computer users and programmers
>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>> tutorials
>>
>>
>>> Hello, Elf,
>>>
>>> I would be willing to write the page. I can send it to you and you
>>> could link it to your site. I don't have website hosting at the
>>> moment or I'd do it. It would make much more sense to place it in a
>>> frequented site like yours or the blind developers' site though.
>>>
>>> Could structure it by giving each language a heading with links to the
>>> corresponding tutorials in an unordered list. Make it quick to
>>> navigate that way. Would also make sense to link any editors, ide's
>>> and compilers within it as well so it's a one-stop experience. I
>>> think this would make for a flexible format because if someone wants
>>> to let us know about a link to tutorials for a language we don't have,
>>> all we have to do is add a heading for it
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Alex M
>>> ps There's another Alex out here somewhere. Figured I'd sign with my
>>> last initial to keep confusion to a minimum.
>>>
>>> On 7/2/10, The Elf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> if someone will update and send me the page I will add it to my site, I
>>>> just
>>>> don't have the time right now to do decent updating on the grab bag
>>>> since
>>
>>>> I
>>>> have to have the beta version of my pencil and paper RPG game ready to
>>>> roll
>>>> in a few months and am short on useable time as it is
>>>>
>>>> elf
>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:09 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>>> tutorials
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Go up to http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org or the Elf's grab bag site.
>>>>
>>>> Jamal, I can pull information from this thread together and send to you
>>>> for
>>>> the FAQ.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>> Usability Services,
>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
>>>> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie
>>>> McBride
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:04 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>>> tutorials
>>>>
>>>> Blindprogramming.com seems like it's dead. This thread about tutorials
>>>> & stuff is good, but it remains on this list. Any possibility we can
>>>> get a wiki or something in which to store this info?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Change the world--1 deed at a time
>>>> Jackie McBride
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