Um you know you can use com in jaws as well? Just because it is crappy doesn't mean it don't exist in Jaws. I will have a look. I am glad that you Window-eyes users are on the ball now but Jaws has while not the greatest been doing this for a while. Ken _____ From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:56 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Microsoft Access Ken, As I understand it, the interface for 2003 and 2007 is different. So if something like Visual studio is attempted, I would guess that there might be a need to create two separate set of scripts. I would also think that Window-Eyes with its Com Automation scripting capability would be a better candidate for such a project. I do quite understand that many of us use JAWS far more than Window-Eyes. That might be a factor. Pratik From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:43 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Microsoft Access Nod I found a pay tutorial for Access 2002 but I can't trust that it would be the same so I wouldn't think of buying it. I might have to go to coding it but I might just have my wife drop a few things on the screen for me she could do in 2 minutes what would take me a few hours of adjustments. This is just silly. I am going to have a look at the form designer maybe we can do something like we did in Visual studio . Ken _____ From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:08 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Microsoft Access Ken, The most efficient way of designing forms in Access is to use the underlying programming. I find that the scripts included with JAWS or Window-Eyes sets don't do the form designer justice. I invariably end up doing something wrong in the form designer view because a lot of visual information is just not available. In other words, the interface for blind programmers/designers is just terrible. As to tutorials, I haven't found anything recent. There was something that I found for Office 95 and its version of Access. Pratik From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 2:57 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Microsoft Access I am looking for any tutorial on how to use Form design view with jaws. If its possible at all in Access. Ken