Read access is open, but write access requires permission. In other words, you can download the code and do whatever you want with it, but if you want to contribute a patch/enhancement/change, you have to have developer access. If you have subversion installed already on the command line, you type the following: svn co https://sappy.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/sappy sappy Or if you use tortoise on windows, you can grab it from the following repository: https://sappy.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/sappy We build in Visual Studio. To build, you need to put the standard Java JNI files into your visual studio directory, if you don't have them. If you just want to see the code though, you can do that with whatever tool you want. Stefik __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind