Re: In regards to my giving up on programming?
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 23:00:59 -0500
Score, oyvande. Hooke me up! Sounds like it's a win/win situation.
Thanks.
Alex
On 7/7/10, Øyvind Lode <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Just let me know if you are interested and I'll send you the invitation :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Øyvind Lode [mailto:oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 7. juli 2010 17:00
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: In regards to my giving up on programming?
>
> Dropbox has both a free and paid option.
> I use the free one.
> You get 2GB storage, but if I send you an invitation from my account we both
> get 225MB extra :)
> In other words you will then have 2.25GB instead of the default 2GB.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: 7. juli 2010 16:45
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: In regards to my giving up on programming?
>
> Heh, I've done that with viruses that attacked my machine. Had a
> horrible experience with one that opens up a browser in the back
> ground and navigates to adult sites and gambling sites. No idea how I
> got it but it was on my work machine. Made for embarrassments. I had
> to track it down to the system32 directory and rename the .exe as a
> txt because every time you deleted it, it triggered a program that
> copied it back to your machine. Killing it was kind of fun but
> time-consuming. I'm a trainer for a financial services call center by
> profession not a developer but, you know how it is, you have to learn
> all sorts of stuff just to use a computer when you're blind. My IT
> guys here are scared of my machine and only wanna mess with it when
> they absolutely possitively have to.
>
> How do you get to dropbox? How much does it cost?
>
> Alex M
>
> On 7/7/10, Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> dropbox is different from gmail, which does allow for executables, if you
>> get clever and rename it to .txt. :)
>> Thanks,
>> Tyler Littlefield
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> Twitter: sorressean
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Jes,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the offer. Don't worry about it, though. Someone on this
>>> list was kind enough to post a link to where I can obtain it.
>>> Besides, I don't believe gmail allows for .exe files to be sent,
>>> more's the pity. Your generous offer is very much appreciated though.
>>>
>>> Good luck on your programs. Looks like you and me are slogging
>>> through the same mirasse. I've actually chosen Eclipse as my IDE to
>>> learn for now too. I think I'll use vc++ as my secondary one since
>>> it's important to know if if you ever intend to do any serious
>>> developing in windows. Looks like all the schools teach it.
>>> Planning on enrolling in an honest-to-god college course for the stuff
>>> in the upcoming fall semester if the Lord says the same and, I'm sure
>>> they'll be wanting to use it. Hope they're not stuck on using 2010
>>> though. It's a beat down. Screen readers send it into shock.
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>>
>>> Alex m
>>>
>>> On 7/7/10, Jes <theeternalkid@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Alex wrote:
>>>> "You can't get visual studio 2008 any more. I tried. "
>>>>> Alex, If you are looking for v s express 2008 edition, I have a copy.
>>>>> Drop box it to you?
>>>> On Jul 6, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can't get visual studio 2008 any more. I tried. They've come out
>>>>> with 2010 now and I can't find a download link to a 2008 version.
>>>>> 2010, I found out this weekend, has a bug which aMS claims to have
>>>>> fixed but doesn't seem to have in truth. It uses uia (user interface
>>>>> automation) and apparently knows when you are using ascreen reader.
>>>>> Thing is, it crashes on you when this is activated. Something to do
>>>>> with intelisense. There's a patch you can download for it but, mine
>>>>> said the error didn't apply. Go figure. Crashed like crazy till I
>>>>> told it not to automate visual settings (deactivated uia). Worked
>>>>> without crashing then but navigation with Jaws was a pain. So if
>>>>> anyone is going to buy the professional version of 2010 or will
>>>>> upgrade, "caviat emptor!" Buyer beware.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex m
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/5/10, Dave <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for posting that Jamal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think a better title for the article would have been "Does Visual
>>>>>> Studio and .Net Rot the Mind?". I, personally, love .Net + Visual
>>>>>> studio as you can write a Windows app at break neck speed and the
>>>>>> process of building/running is lightning fast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, for new comers, I can see why Petzold seemed so hesitant to
>>>>>> write a guide to winforms as opposed to full on development. I can
>>>>>> see how easy it would have been to drag a few controls around and even
>>>>>> adding a few event handlers to an app would have yielded a sense of
>>>>>> accomplishment, but if anything ever went wrong or if I was actually
>>>>>> serious about doing professional development that would have been a
>>>>>> hinderence. It's somewhat revealing to see that even Microsoft hasn't
>>>>>> adopted .Net for its serious revenue generating applications (Office,
>>>>>> IE, Windows, etc.). For that matter, most screen readers use
>>>>>> win32/C++/MFC/COM. .Net allows programmers to remain oblivious of
>>>>>> core Windows concepts as it does all of the heavy lifting, so that
>>>>>> when things go wrong, you have no idea what happened or even where to
>>>>>> start looking. It also skirts around the pure joy of designing or
>>>>>> seeing core algorithms implemented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having recently been coding mostly in C++/StL/COM, I can appreciate
>>>>>> how much work it takes to get low-level details right especially with
>>>>>> a big project; but with those struggles comes greater control,
>>>>>> performance, and cross-platform possibilities. Now, if I write a .Net
>>>>>> app, I'm conscious of what exactly occurs when I assign object
>>>>>> references or how much boxing/unboxing costs or using StringBuilder,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This isn't to say .Net is "bad", but for someone who wants the full
>>>>>> story on Windows development and not a watered down version more apt
>>>>>> for hobbiest, win32/C would be a great jumping off point as .Net
>>>>>> serves mostly as a wrapper for those legacy technologies (with the
>>>>>> noteable exception of WPF which is based on DirectX).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/5/10, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> This reminds me of an article:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does Visual Studio Rot the Mind?
>>>>>>> Ruminations on the Psychology and Aesthetics of Coding
>>>>>>> By Charles Petzold
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.charlespetzold.com/etc/DoesVisualStudioRotTheMind.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/2/2010 7:49 PM, Jes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ken wrote:
>>>>>>>> "You can get up and running much faster on a language like, python,
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> c
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> actually see results. Results is what matters when you start out
>>>>>>>> coding"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I couldn't agree more with that. The IDE is a lazy man's way to
> begin
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> program. To me, any text book or college material which gives you a
>>>>>>>> prepackaged formula, claiming to teach you something isn't really
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> you any good and shouldn't even be used by the college. As an
>>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> book I am using is "An Introduction to Programming with C plus plus,
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> Diane Zak." Thank goodness they used programming, not coding. They
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> show you the code you need to copy and paste into your IDE, which,
> in
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> case, is Visual Studio. I like the way the book introduces new
>>>>>>>> concepts
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the C plus plus language to you, but they fail to really get down
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> dirt with all of it. For example, they tell you what an algorithm
> is,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> they tell you the various procedures to start writing a program; 1,
>>>>>>>> analyzing a problem, 2, planning an algorithm, 3, desk-checking your
>>>>>>>> algorithm, etc. Basically, it just feels like I'm copying and
> pasting
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> bunch of code, into an IDE so I can pass a c
>>>>>>> ourse. Furthermore, when we finally have no errors in the code, the
>>>>>>> .exe
>>>>>>> opens up in a command prompt. They don't even help us build real
>>>>>>> genuine
>>>>>>> Windows apps, it's all console applications. I've always associated C
>>>>>>> plus
>>>>>>> plus with genuine Windows gui application development. What's wrong
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> this picture?
>>>>>>>> Jes, the proud man.
>>>>>>>>
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