dropbox is different from gmail, which does allow for executables, if you get clever and rename it to .txt. :) Thanks, Tyler Littlefield http://tds-solutions.net Twitter: sorressean On Jul 7, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Alex Midence wrote: > Hi, Jes, > > Thanks for the offer. Don't worry about it, though. Someone on this > list was kind enough to post a link to where I can obtain it. > Besides, I don't believe gmail allows for .exe files to be sent, > more's the pity. Your generous offer is very much appreciated though. > > Good luck on your programs. Looks like you and me are slogging > through the same mirasse. I've actually chosen Eclipse as my IDE to > learn for now too. I think I'll use vc++ as my secondary one since > it's important to know if if you ever intend to do any serious > developing in windows. Looks like all the schools teach it. > Planning on enrolling in an honest-to-god college course for the stuff > in the upcoming fall semester if the Lord says the same and, I'm sure > they'll be wanting to use it. Hope they're not stuck on using 2010 > though. It's a beat down. Screen readers send it into shock. > > Thanks again > > Alex m > > On 7/7/10, Jes <theeternalkid@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Alex wrote: >> "You can't get visual studio 2008 any more. I tried. " >>> Alex, If you are looking for v s express 2008 edition, I have a copy. >>> Drop box it to you? >> On Jul 6, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >> >>> You can't get visual studio 2008 any more. I tried. They've come out >>> with 2010 now and I can't find a download link to a 2008 version. >>> 2010, I found out this weekend, has a bug which aMS claims to have >>> fixed but doesn't seem to have in truth. It uses uia (user interface >>> automation) and apparently knows when you are using ascreen reader. >>> Thing is, it crashes on you when this is activated. Something to do >>> with intelisense. There's a patch you can download for it but, mine >>> said the error didn't apply. Go figure. Crashed like crazy till I >>> told it not to automate visual settings (deactivated uia). Worked >>> without crashing then but navigation with Jaws was a pain. So if >>> anyone is going to buy the professional version of 2010 or will >>> upgrade, "caviat emptor!" Buyer beware. >>> >>> Alex m >>> >>> >>> On 7/5/10, Dave <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> Thanks for posting that Jamal. >>>> >>>> I think a better title for the article would have been "Does Visual >>>> Studio and .Net Rot the Mind?". I, personally, love .Net + Visual >>>> studio as you can write a Windows app at break neck speed and the >>>> process of building/running is lightning fast. >>>> >>>> However, for new comers, I can see why Petzold seemed so hesitant to >>>> write a guide to winforms as opposed to full on development. I can >>>> see how easy it would have been to drag a few controls around and even >>>> adding a few event handlers to an app would have yielded a sense of >>>> accomplishment, but if anything ever went wrong or if I was actually >>>> serious about doing professional development that would have been a >>>> hinderence. It's somewhat revealing to see that even Microsoft hasn't >>>> adopted .Net for its serious revenue generating applications (Office, >>>> IE, Windows, etc.). For that matter, most screen readers use >>>> win32/C++/MFC/COM. .Net allows programmers to remain oblivious of >>>> core Windows concepts as it does all of the heavy lifting, so that >>>> when things go wrong, you have no idea what happened or even where to >>>> start looking. It also skirts around the pure joy of designing or >>>> seeing core algorithms implemented. >>>> >>>> Having recently been coding mostly in C++/StL/COM, I can appreciate >>>> how much work it takes to get low-level details right especially with >>>> a big project; but with those struggles comes greater control, >>>> performance, and cross-platform possibilities. Now, if I write a .Net >>>> app, I'm conscious of what exactly occurs when I assign object >>>> references or how much boxing/unboxing costs or using StringBuilder, >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> This isn't to say .Net is "bad", but for someone who wants the full >>>> story on Windows development and not a watered down version more apt >>>> for hobbiest, win32/C would be a great jumping off point as .Net >>>> serves mostly as a wrapper for those legacy technologies (with the >>>> noteable exception of WPF which is based on DirectX). >>>> >>>> On 7/5/10, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> This reminds me of an article: >>>>> >>>>> Does Visual Studio Rot the Mind? >>>>> Ruminations on the Psychology and Aesthetics of Coding >>>>> By Charles Petzold >>>>> >>>>> http://www.charlespetzold.com/etc/DoesVisualStudioRotTheMind.html >>>>> >>>>> Jamal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/2/2010 7:49 PM, Jes wrote: >>>>>> Ken wrote: >>>>>> "You can get up and running much faster on a language like, python, or >>>>>> c >>>>>> and >>>>>> actually see results. Results is what matters when you start out >>>>>> coding"... >>>>>> >>>>>> I couldn't agree more with that. The IDE is a lazy man's way to begin >>>>>> to >>>>>> program. To me, any text book or college material which gives you a >>>>>> prepackaged formula, claiming to teach you something isn't really doing >>>>>> you any good and shouldn't even be used by the college. As an example, >>>>>> the >>>>>> book I am using is "An Introduction to Programming with C plus plus, by >>>>>> Diane Zak." Thank goodness they used programming, not coding. They only >>>>>> show you the code you need to copy and paste into your IDE, which, in >>>>>> this >>>>>> case, is Visual Studio. I like the way the book introduces new concepts >>>>>> of >>>>>> the C plus plus language to you, but they fail to really get down into >>>>>> the >>>>>> dirt with all of it. For example, they tell you what an algorithm is, >>>>>> and >>>>>> they tell you the various procedures to start writing a program; 1, >>>>>> analyzing a problem, 2, planning an algorithm, 3, desk-checking your >>>>>> algorithm, etc. Basically, it just feels like I'm copying and pasting >>>>>> in >>>>>> a >>>>>> bunch of code, into an IDE so I can pass a c >>>>> ourse. Furthermore, when we finally have no errors in the code, the .exe >>>>> opens up in a command prompt. They don't even help us build real genuine >>>>> Windows apps, it's all console applications. I've always associated C >>>>> plus >>>>> plus with genuine Windows gui application development. 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