Re: Fruitbasket in Perl and Win32::GUI, OO Style

  • From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:45:35 +0300

I don't think you need to make 3 sections. You just need to make only 2.
Thinking from the point of view of the beginner programmer that wants to start learning a new language, I think that he or she might intend to create a certain kind of program. Maybe the programmer doesn't know yet which would be the best language, but he or she knows for sure that wants to create a desktop program or a program for the web, so he will look in the section of sample programs for desktop or for the web.
If I'd be in his place, I wouldn't choose a language that is not for the desktop and not for the web, but that can do both, because I wouldn't know if I'll find samples for what I need in that third section.
So, let's say I want to create a desktop program. Well, I'd look in the section of the languages that can be used for creating desktop programs. 
But I wouldn't find perl there and this is not good.
If you'll create a third section and I would want to make a program for the web, then maybe I will look in the Ruby example because I would see that it is for desktop and for the web, but I won't find a version for the web there, so I won't trust that section anymore, so I'd look only in the sections that clearly say that are only for the web or only for desktop.
The fact that you added a word "mostly" in the explanation is absolutly not important because nobody would know what he would be able to find in that section.
I have seen that you organized the programming languages, but I don't think they are important here. The most important things are the sample programs, no matter the programming language. If a beginner programmer will see and like the code of a certain program, he might want to learn the language that program is made in, no matter which is it, but this only if that program does what he wants.
So the explanation of what the languages are good for is good, but should be accessible only after the code of the program. 

But anyway, you put some work in this site and we should thank you for this.
Even though I think it could be better, I can't recommend to make the effort and improve it, because.... (but this is just my opinion), I think that it not very helpful at all... for the moment.
(Not because it is bad or less good, but because maybe the beginner programmers start learning in a different way... who knows). 


Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Fruitbasket in Perl and Win32::GUI, OO Style
Octavian, this is why the header for the sections both say "mostly" this means that many of the languages can be used for both
I did not wish to have to make three distinct sections, its confusing enough, but I'll consider doing so.
there, also, is a definition file for each language, which would talk about this point as well. 

thanks again,
inthane
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: Fruitbasket in Perl and Win32::GUI, OO Style
Sorry but I think I didn't understand the question. I don't understand what you mean by "idiomatic".
And yes, I remember that the FruitBasket in Perl with Win32::GUI was put in the section of languages for the web, which is not correct, and I already told that.
FruitBasket versions in perl using Win32::GUI and WXPerl should be put in the section of languages for desktop programs, because in those programs perl is used as a desktop program, and FruitBasket made as a CGI program should be put in the section of languages for the web, because that program is one for the web, just like the one made in Javascript.
And one more thing, it is important to let the users know that perl can be used as a language for desktop programs and as a language for the web programs, while other languages cannot, or at least for the moment there are no FruitBasket demos made in those languages. 

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "Veli-Pekka Tätilä" <vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Fruitbasket in Perl and Win32::GUI, OO Style



Hi Octavian,
About the Win32::GUi version of Fruit Basket in Perl.
Or maybe I simply missed it, since I only looked at the link names and
read the info blurb mentioning Perl being a server side lang. How
idiomatic code is that, by the way?

I have a bad, in terms of maintenance, habit of trying to code as
Perlishly and concisely I can. So one thing I've gottten lately into OO
Perl are initializing the fields of an object by assigning to a hash
slice. Like this (untested):

@$object{qw|field1 field2|} = (3.14, 42); # whatever.

In stead of using up two precious statements and the deref arrow.

--
With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming:
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila

Octavian Rasnita wrote:
I sent a version made with Win32::GUI in perl, and one in perl as a server 
side language, but maybe they are lost...

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