-=PCTechTalk=- =PCTechTalk=- Re: re organizing my drives/computer project - Keeping PC cooler
- From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:36:06 -0700
I JUST read this email.... as for M$ getting into the Norton business. well
I have very fixed feelings. I worry about any one company having too much
control.
I do not like M$'s plan of having all applications on line and you subscribe
to them. I want to own what I pay for. I do not want my personal letters,
correspondence, budgeting,etc on line. I don't care what promises they make
me. Promises always seem to be broken and their TOU usually leave them an
out of any liability.
As for Norton, they are absolutely the worst of the worst for buying good
companies and letting the products die!
The bought out PC Tools over a decade ago. That was what System Works is
based upon I think. It also use to do a great job for allowing you to move
files from one directory to another. It had a good search engine too. I
use to buy PC Tools for $7 and they had a deal with free shipping. When
Windows 3.1 came out they made a Windows version (and it had COLORS! lol!)
and they had to include a full size manual it was $14 including shipping.
At that time, Norton was pretty much an antivirus company.. along with
McAfee.
Norton bought DataQuest and left Partition Magic and their other programs
where they were or just dropped them. It is still at version 8 although I
think they made some change for XP. Data Quest had a good company and great
helpful tech support.
Norton Ghost is being left by the wayside now for Save & Restore. Only
Save & Restore Version 2.0 works on Vista.
Then, they bought GoBack. This was an awesome program that saved my butt
many times. But, it is still at version 4 when they bought it. I had
purchased it from Roxio - before they were Roxio...lol!
I got a download version and the deal was that you could FOREVER download
any program you bought from them. Lo and behold, my Go Back died and I the
backup disk/cd was corrupted. I went to Roxio and they could not give me a
copy of the program as they had sold it to Norton (It was so soon after the
purchase, I did not even know it had been sold). I called Norton and since
I had not purchased it from them, they could not give me a copy. I told
them I could provide a copy of my Roxio receipt/ screen shot of my current
Roxio account showing I had purchased it, but to no avail. I had not paid
Norton and they could not give it to me. I talked to a number of people and
unbeknownst to either company, both companies sent me a copy of the program
FREE. Norton even Fed Ex's to me overnight!
Of course, I know it was the individual employee that made the decision, it
was not the company. Roxio would have been violating the sales agreement
with Norton and Norton would not give you anything leeway at all. It does
not work in Vista and that is a shame. But, Vista's Shadow copy should
cover this. I have to learn more about that.
I am right with you. I agree with you on the M$ LiveCare, but I thought I
would give it a shot. I have been paying Norton (well they think so...even
if it was only sales tax and rebate processing out of pocket costs) ...so
maybe M$ will figure out how to take care of its own program.
As for Norton, although I have been a loyal savvy customer (getting their
products free after rebates for years and years) I am frustrated with their
control of my world too. My personal dislike of using different products
for different things is I hate finger pointing. One blames another product
and they blame a third and the third blames the first two! lol! Been there
done that.. At least having one company, I do not care what the answer
is..THEY have to fix it. Norton has done that for me. Now, the products
are not Vista ready and I cannot sit forever.
Jerry will be taking the Sony to Vista.
His Gateway will stay with XP and continue to use the Norton products.
The hard drives in the new Vista (Fry's) computer are vertical...not laying
on top of one another and there is a fan directly on them. The front of the
cabinet is a screen and you can feel the air coming out.
I do need to know..what are the acceptable temps for the motherboard and
hard drives?
I have speed fan...but it is in C instead of F..so I am not so sure what the
temps/readings mean and I keep having to go look up the conversion
chart...lol!
If I had a range..and especially a danger range...that would be good.
I will miss the utilities and need to find a replacement. The only
Utilities they have that are Vista is the 360 program which is $70 and it
has the antivirus email firewall, PC tune-up keeps your PC running at peak
performance Embedded support components diagnose problems and help you
quickly resolve common issues, etc/
etc all in it.
The only part I would be interested in is:
Tune up your PC and optimize its performance (PC tune-up keeps your PC
running at peak performance
Embedded support components diagnose problems and help you quickly resolve
common issues)
Find and fix problems that slow your computer
Remove unwanted Internet clutter and temporary files
That is not $70 of programs!
Oh well, gotta go.. Jerry says thanks for the kiss.... glad you brushed
your teeth! lol!
He is working on the rebates...for one care..so I best go...
Thanks...
Rose
----- Original Message -----
From: "GuitarMan" <gman.pctt@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: re organizing my drives/computer project
> Rose,
> First, I'll address Don's reply here since I figure both of you will be
> reading this anyway. Don's points are both extremely valid. I'll also
> add
> that Microsoft's Live Onecare has already earned a much less than
> enthusiastic reputation among AV app testing labs. I also find it ironic
> that the company in charge of keeping our operating systems secure now is
> getting into the (for fee) market of supplimenting what they should have
> already been doing all along. Seems to me that they are now trying to
> make
> money off of their OS's shortcomings (lack of security), which means they
> now have less incentive to fix all of the OS problems. Alos, since they
> ARE
> the OS maker, they can roll out some of their less critical Microsoft
> Updates as part of this new 'paid' service, rather than give away the
> repairs for free. I'm not saying that any of this is going to happen, but
> it just doesn't sit well with me that it's not a big leap. (Are you still
> considered paranoid if they really ARE out to get ya?) ;O}
>
> And now onto your post.
> Partition Magic basically ceased to be the moment Symantec purchased
> the
> product. They bought it to 'kill' the competition with their own 'Ghost'
> application.Although I have tested several other partitioning tools since
> that purchase, my feeling is that Acronis is quickly becoming the new
> Partition Magic.
>
> If you were using Norton systemworks, you don't have to give up
> everything in that suite. I have replaced Norton AV and Norton Internet
> Security (firewall) with ZoneAlarm Security Suite, which I like MUCH
> better.
> However, I still have the Norton Utilities installed. Of course, this is
> still WinXP, so it would take an upgrade for you to make it work. I
> figured
> I'd bring it up here in case you wanted to consider doing something
> similar
> with the older systems.
>
> Internals for everyday and externals for backups is pretty much what
> I'll be suggesting, too. The only strong exception I would have is to
> perhaps put topics that you might only use once a month (or longer) on an
> external. But this option should only be carried out if it becomes
> obvious
> that keeping them internal is not going to allow enough 'breathing room'
> on
> the internal drives. Of course, only you can decide if any of the topics
> (Scrapbooking, Stationery, Family Projects, etc.) qualify.
>
> I understood what you meant when you brought up RAID. The thing is
> that
> it adds a level of complexity that I'm not sure you would care to add to
> an
> already complex organizational system. If you do decide that it's the
> right
> way to go (and we'll discuss this in length in a later subthread), you'll
> need two hard drives of the same capacity for this option. The drives
> should also be the same make/model from the same maker to ensure success.
> Speed is not an issue with a new system, so redundancy would be the focus.
>
> I will end this reply by reminding you that today's computers run
> significantly hotter than those made even a couple of years ago. For this
> reason, I strongly suggest that you never mount one hard drive directly
> over
> another. There should always be at least an inch between them to allow
> air
> to circulate so the drives do not overheat. Of course, this may further
> limit the number of drives you can keep internally.
>
> Keep me informed of any changes, thoughts, ideas &/or questions and
> give
> Jerry a big kiss from me (uh, no tongue, ok?). ;O)
>
> Peace,
> GMan
>
> "The only dumb questions are the ones that are never asked!"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:04 AM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- re organizing my drives/computer project
>
>
>> Hi GMan,
>>
>> I found out today I will have to buy Acronis to partition my hard drives
>> on
>> this new Vista Computer.
>> Partition Magic is not Vista Friendly.
>> While Windows will partition a drive, its use is limited.
>> I have 2 500 GB internal hard drives and one 400 GB hard drive.
>>
>> I am able in Windows Vista to 'shrink' the drive in half, but that is it.
>> Also, the Windows Vista ability to 'shrink' does NOT take into
>> consideration data that may have been saved on the drive beyond the 1/2
>> way
>> point. So, if a file or table was saved at the end of the drive... it
>> would
>> no longer be in the same directory.
>>
>> With Acronis, like Partition Magic, if I repartition a drive, the data
>> will
>> stay with the original drive partition (providing I make the partition
>> large
>> enough to hold all the data - and that is NOT an issue here)
>>
>> After using Norton for years, I am going to give the Microsoft Live
>> OneCare
>> a shot.
>>
>> I will use the Norton Removal Tool to get rid of Norton first of course.
>>
>> Most of the stuff I have written above, I am sure you already knew, but I
>> am
>> just putting this out here for everyone. It has been a while (months)
>> since
>> we spoke of my re-organizing my hard drives.
>> I am finally near ready to do so.
>>
>> My mind at the moment is to utilize the internal drives for my day to day
>> use and use the gazillion external fire wire drives for backups. I am
>> thinking I would set a backup to run each day. I am thinking setting up
>> a
>> schedule will be good. I can set a reminder for myself so I know which
>> drive(s) to turn on.
>> I will probably give one external drive for a backup to Jerry's (The
>> Gateway) current, soon to be old computer. I will then probably give a
>> couple to my old computer (The Sony) , soon to be Jerry's new computer.
>>
>> Again, nothing is in concrete..I am just thinking.
>>
>> By the way, when I said the other day, that the computer was set up for
>> raid, I meant that there were two specific serial drive ports on the
>> motherboard for the raid setup. That is in addition to the 5 serial
>> ports
>> for internal hard drives. There were only spaces available for 3. One
>> has
>> an open space, but the 'thing' (technical term) that you sit the drive
>> on..is not in one of the bays. We think they took it out to put the card
>> reader in the front of the machine and then there was something else
>> (maybe
>> the BIG graphics card) blocking access to the other bay. I do not need
>> that
>> space anyway) I did not ever see that on the Sony, so that was new to
>> me.
>> When I was a kid, Raid was a funny bug killing commercial! (Ok, so maybe
>> I
>> was not exactly a kid.... lol!)
>>
>> I will try to update the spread sheet I had done before. I am leaving
>> the
>> physical drives in the Sony. They are PATA drives anyway, but I need to
>> take the data from the second drive. I do not want to do that until we
>> decide what to do.... But that will hold Jerry up from getting the Sony
>> as
>> HIS computer. His Gateway is on its last legs and is crashing a
>> lot...and
>> is tired. I think part of his problem is that it is a 2.0 GHz machine
>> and
>> he is trying to do too much with it. He has a bunch of external USB
>> drives
>> and leaves them on most of the time. He only has 1 GB of ram.
>>
>> The Sony will be better for him as it is a 2.6 GHz machine with 3 GB of
>> the
>> ddr ram.
>>
>> While I am still feeling my way around Vista, little by little I am
>> starting
>> to 'get it'!
>>
>> Microsoft has been excellent in responding to my inquiries and has even
>> phoned me back to ensure everything is working ok on two different issues
>> I
>> have had.
>>
>> I think I have about 2 - 3 weeks of FREE tech support available to me.
>> (I
>> think you get 90 days)
>>
>> So, hopefully tomorrow, I will send you directly, my hard drives
>> listing..and what is on them..and then be ready for your insightful
>> input....
>> Oh! By the way, I absolutely agree about the Utility partition being
>> done
>> away with. I will put those files on the Programs directory under
>> Utilities.
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