Hello All, Re Ray's circulation and Mike's involvement. As I have previously
circulated there are four divisions of the Queen's bench, But, and a really big
but, you unlawfully denied access to the fourth. The Queens bench common law
court of record. This is because I, as a simple man could force Cameron before
a jury because he has harmed me at common law by giving away my sovereignty (my
control) to a foreign state. The fault lies not with Cameron. You would expect
nothing more from such an evil man. The fault lies with you. You the man or
woman that does not take the time and trouble to understand and object to this
unlawful control. Your laziness is condemning your descendants to slavery.
Sorry for the brutal truth , but it matters to me. Go on: ask questions of me
to prove me wrong. I welcome it. So far all I have received is abuse which
convinces me I am right. No big deal to me but to you, you are giving away
your children into slavery,
john T.
From: rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: FW: [patriots] Re: Mantra
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:36:53 +0000
meant to FW you this earlier. A lot there but looks
promising?
From:
Rays1 [mailto:rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 06 December 2015 23:39
To: 'Mike Green'
Subject: RE: [patriots] Re: Mantra
I'm sure your right about it Mike, but the only one I recall
quoting was Bg's peculiar taunting
email to John in which he was being mostly sarcastic
and he did say the courts are corrupt but
the sarcastic wording was hard to understand. If you have a copy
of another where he's not
being sarcastic about court action, I'd like to see a copy
and try to see what his reasons are -
Presumably, he's not tried it himself then?
Anyway, there is a QBD website here,
https://courttribunalfinder.service.gov.uk/courts/queen-s-bench-division
which seems to show it but when you try the contact button,
it sends you here,
https://www.gov.uk/contact which as you'll see,
then makes no mention of the QBD!
The court is often mentioned so it must be accessible some
way?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/appointment-of-the-president-of-the-queens-bench-division
https://www.gov.uk/government/people/david-calvert-smith
Searching further got me to
this which seems to be a list of application forms for various matters to
be
put before the Queens Bench and high court. I think a lot of reading
is called for as I said earlier;
section 4.1.5 of that earlier Pdf guide to the QBD says
this ......
4. STARTING
PROCEEDINGS IN THE CENTRAL OFFICE
4.1.5
To start proceedings in the Action Department, a claimant must use
form N1 (or
form N208 for a Part 8 claim) (or a form suitably modified
as permitted
by Part 4), and should take or send the claim form to Room E07,
Masters’
Support Unit, Queen’s Bench Action Department, Royal Courts of
Justice,
Strand, London WC2A 2LL. If the court is to serve the claim form,
the claimant
must provide sufficient copies for each defendant.
The claimant
will be required to provide a court copy, a claimant’s copy and
one copy for
each named defendant. Copies of forms relevant to the work of
the Action
Department (including the claim form and response pack) are
available
from that office. Alternatively, claimants may produce their own
forms, which
may be modified as the........
So, it would seem that it's not impossible to take out a QBD
but some legal expertise would be wise
before making any case. Form N1 attached. Do we have
any takers? Someone could always write to
the address given on the QBD website and ask them?
Cheers
Ray
From:
Mike Green [mailto:mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 06 December 2015 20:30
To: Rays1; Patriots list
Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: Mantra
Hi
Ray,
You quoted BG yourself (see below) where he chided John for suggesting that we
take police to court as according to BG, with which I agree, the courts are
corrupt. That is all I was referring to.
As for the guide you attached, this only covers administrative courts. That is
not the type of court in which I was proposing we take a joint claim against
BHH. I was referring to a common law courts of record. This is part of Queens
Bench Division but the guide deliberately ignores the existence of such courts,
access to which is free of charge. It appears that access to these courts has
indeed been blocked. John knows a lot more about this than I do.
The only way we could attempt to get police into court now would be to bring a
private prosecution. As I said, however, these are allowed very rarely. Even if
we did get a high ranking police officer into court, if we lost the case it
would be up to a judge (or judges) to decide whether or not we could appeal the
decision at a higher court. It is not as simple as John makes out.
Mike.
On 06/12/15 20:16, Rays1 wrote:
Hello Mike,
Well, I didn't see anything from Bg about considering the
court route - only his refusal to deal with it when
JT was referring to it so I can't comment on more than that
about what he said (a lot of my emails seem
to be going back to my servers trash box for some reason?)
but, it appears to be that he disagrees with
that route - has he researched anything about it to lead him
to that belief?, if so, it would be helpful if
he could re-post it. Has he tried to do it himself and
failed?
I think we need to find a list that we could store such
research for all to see, don't you?.
That can't be done on this list so, we need to find some way
of doing this. I suggested an online list like
Yahoo but there was zero interest from the list and there is
a real inertia here - and in most other places -
when beginning to actually do something.
So I'd suggest we need to find a semi-permanent file hosting
service specifically for that and which all
can visit at will...anyone any suggestions ? I believe
I may have a large cloud account that might be good
for this but I'd have to check again. Yes, it would probably
be spied on but all that would be there would
be our perfectly legal research.
It's true that the courts are corrupt - I've had experience
of that myself! I agree with John-T though that
if the higher ones are approached properly and with all
proper court procedures, they still have some legal
honour. If they don't then we'll at least know that the game
is lost already - and have proof
You said this avenue appears to be blocked but it
does'nt appear to be so according to the attached pdf?
It looks as though a claim can be started there, without a
lawyer initially, but there is a lot of reading to be
done concerning the correct forms and procedures which I'm
too tired to start to study but any budding
lawyers out there might be able to help? Would a barrister be
necessary? Preferable but is one required?
I think some like Ian R Crane could have the 'talk' for that
if fully prepped?
I agree with you that it's most definitely worth researching
so, how to start? . Possibly by just
downloading forms to study as a start?. Page 23 and 24 of the
pdf gives info about procedures and fees for
taking a claim. It seems to be only £200 or so; free if
disabled etc so maybe a disabled person might
be the best to 'front' it as they are not likely to be chased
for fees if the case loses. Certainly worth looking
into further.
As to them incarcerating or killing us, I suppose it could
happen but, if the claim is made by an established
group, sharing all information to ALL members then I think
it's not very likely that they'd carry out a massacre,
No, I think at that point even a spook would baulk and
refuse....jailing us all under some legislative pretext
is more likely ('extremist' views or the like maybe?) but it
would be a difficult case for them to win............
or maybe not!
Regards
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike Green
Sent: 06 December 2015 16:20
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: Mantra
Hi
Ray,
I agree with Brian on this one, in that I am of the view that it would not be
possible to bring a successful case against them using their own corrupt
system. I am not clear on what method John proposes to use to access the
courts. When I suggested taking a joint case against BHH for refusing to
investigate crimes that had been recorded as such by UK police forces, I was
proposing that we use the courts of Queens Bench Division. These courts were
designed to allow us to bring claims against individuals or organisations that
had done or were doing us harm. However access to these courts now appears to
have been blocked. It may still be possible to bring a private prosecution
against the police (Michael Doherty has had some success in this regard), but
such private prosecutions are allowed only very rarely. It might be worth
exploring, however I am of the view that they will incarcerate or kill us
before they will ever allow us to get the likes of BHH into a court, and I told
John that many months ago.
Mike.
On 06/12/15 15:58, Rays1 wrote:
Hello Judith,
Yes, 'Our man Flint' did indeed, drop a bit of a
clanger with those, shall we say, "Unwise"
remarks he made. What struck me particularly was his scathing
sarcasm toward John-T,
(Mon 30/11/2015 10:24)
"My goodness
I have read it all now. The courts are corrupt and do not make fair
judgements so lets crowd fund and use the courts.
Astonishing logic"
Bg
Of course, John said no such thing; he did in fact propose an
admittedly 'roundabout' way
of a possibly very positive action that may turn out to
be a successful route to try in the upper courts -
if the money could be raised or legal aid obtained or
whatever..
I agree now though that this does raise a serious question
concerning Bg. Why would he distort
John-T's words so much whilst determinedly avoiding the
proposal at hand?
I'm not convinced he's been "exposed" as some sort
of establishment plant and provocateur or
"controlled opposition" and will just wait and see
for now.
Regards
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Judith Longman
Sent: 06 December 2015 14:35
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: Mantra
Jack & Mike
You are right. I have always made excuses for Brian in the past so thanks for
exposing him and opening my eyes.
Judith
On 06/12/15 13:43, Jack Lewis wrote:
When you look through all the emails Brian sends
in reply to us he sounds like a programmed automaton spouting out the same
'mantra' time after time without any real reference the emails he is replying
to. Its impossible to try and get him to respond directly to the comments made
against him. Its simply frustrating and pointless in trying to dialogue with
him.
Jack
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