[patriots] Re: Love your enemy?

  • From: "Rays1" <rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Patriots list" <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:31:03 -0000



There are some interesting
points here but, the
constructive debate which
should have followed has begun
to

descend into the usual
personal criticisms - which
always end with increasingly
harsh insults thrown in reply
until

the debate becomes impossible
- and everyone goes home
angry.

My question is, Why?



From what I saw of it, the
debate seems to have soured
between the UKColumn, headed
by 'our man Flint', Brian-g

(aka: the man himself) and
John TIMBRELL, Jack & David.
The problem seems to be a
belated difference of opinion

in interpretations and
understandings of Islam and
Christianity followed by
descent into biblical and
koranic quotes leading

nowhere. Those creeds and
beliefs are indeed worthy of
further debate - if the
personal comments are left out
and

any religious texts are only
mentioned with links to look
them up but, the more
interesting part was the
beginning when

John-T was basically saying
that, the lower courts are
corrupt and only follow strict
statute law, the higher courts
are NOT

so corrupt and thirdly, that
those higher courts DO follow
Common Law and so we must
strive to reach them. If you
want

to debate these let's keep
them entirely separate- and
civilised...



What puzzles me is the UKC's
oft-repeated cry that although
the establishment wolves are
happily - and now even openly

laughing at us - as they
busily erect their
fascist-like laws, walls and
bars all around us, we should
all "Do Nothing" in response

lest these wolves ravenously
attack us in an increasingly
armoured and violent manner -
as they are so keenly wanting
and waiting

to do! The trouble here
however, is that every
suggestion of even quite
reasonable action in defence
(eg: JohnT's) are then

interpreted as "Violence!"
even though it may not be so -
kind of a self-fulfilling
attitude.. - which also leads
nowhere whilst those

wolves get on with gleefully
building those walls around
us, cackling and howling as
they do so.



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What's as puzzling is the
UKC's other often repeated
message that we should all "Do
Something" - which is a

self-contradiction of the
other.

The only 'acceptable' defence
seems to be that we must all
continuously write to our MP's
and "Spread the word" even

though we already know that
those who do may well be
writing to one of those
'wolves' - who then simply
blocks the

senders ip address whilst
claiming that he's
"Vexatious".......Uh-Oh.



Spreading the word is good but
we don't have the time to
reach those millions of sheep
pens at the end of the fields
up and

down the country at the rate
we are going - not with those
legislative walls already
practically in place for the
most part.



I think time on this list
might be better spent if we
came up with more pro-active -
NOT violent - suggestions



Regards



Ray













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sts.org] On Behalf Of john
TIMBRELL
Sent: 03 December 2015 07:28
To:
ukpatriot@wewantourcountryback
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Subject: [patriots] Re: Love
your enemy?





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From: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx
To:
ukpatriot@wewantourcountryback
.co.uk
Subject: RE: [patriots] Love
your enemy?
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 07:26:51
+0000

Brian, As usual you twist what
I say to cover up your own
inadequacies.

I have never advocated
violence. What I wanted you to
do was to use your voice to
criticise those including
Christian Church Leaders who
state that Islam is a peaceful
religion. If you or they
cannot be bothered to read the
Koran to find that the
terrorists are doing exactly
as the Koran promotes.

Unless this truth becomes more
widely accepted we stand no
chance of countering it. The
Children in their school spend
large parts of their days
chanting things from the
Koran. You are against mind
control yet support it's
continuance in Muslim schools
by your silence.

I repeat I have never
advocated Violence. I promote
using our law to stop the evil
amongst us. Quite the opposite
is happening when the police
protect people carrying
banners "Kill the infidel"

Your refusal to tell the truth
implies a hidden motive.

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Subject: [patriots] Love your
enemy?
To: brian@xxxxxxxxxxxx;
patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
From:
ukpatriot@wewantourcountryback
.co.uk
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:54:49
+0000

Hi Brian,
I think you had better have
another look at who exactly
Jesus was talking to when he
said that!

Jack




On 02/12/2015 18:50, Brian
Gerrish wrote:

John T

Oh dear.

You quote the Koran
incorrectly and seem unaware
of a key Christian commandment
of "love thine enemy". If you
regard them as such - I don't.


You have not learned what
Christianity is.

Yes let's all unleash hatred
and violence against the
Muslim 'hoards' and see where
that gets us - nowhere but
plays directly into the hands
of those that would divide and
rule.

Go on get the hatred out there
- let's ignore the real
danger, which is the traitors
who have betrayed the
country...oh yes they are
voting on killing more people
today...that is not a debate
in a Muslim parliament but
ours.

You don't get up my nose - I
just wish you would think
instead of dangerous rhetoric.

rgds Bg


On 02/12/2015 18:05, john
TIMBRELL wrote:

Quite correct for their
criticism of the proposal of
UK bombing of Syria. So why
does Brian Gerrish support
Islam as a peaceful religion,
when if one reads the Koran it
is full of hate for none
believers. The terrorists are
just carrying out the dictates
of the Koran.I thought Brian
you were a Christian .How can
you advocate going against the
first of the ten commandments.
You quite correctly point out
the evils of Satanism. So how
can you justify your remarks
to me about Islam being a
peaceful religion. . Your
published statements demean
your obvious attributes.
Sincerely.JohnT.



P.S. I know I get up your
nose. But I use the same
critical language that you use
against the BBC and your local
MP. Quite correct of course.
But if you throw stones you
should expect some to come
back to you if you yourself
act in a devious manner.Go on
throw some back at me without
your previous abuse. Answer my
point about the first
commandment.

You criticised your local MP
for not sticking to his
Christian belief so where do
you really stand on your
supposed Christian belief.
Before replying, if you dare,
read the first commandment.



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