I have used ER/Studio along with those you mention. I have found ER/Studio to be an excellent tool and one that I tend to favor for its XML support. Ellis -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ryan Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:13 PM To: Oracle Discussion List Subject: Re: data modelling tools We are using designer. However, Oracle has stopped adding new features. I have used Erwin before. Anyone use any other tools? Pros/Cons? Anything that has a repository like designer? -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l