Yes, us DBAs are notorious for being the messenger, and being shot for it. ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Williams Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:07 AM To: jkstill@xxxxxxxxx Cc: Jay.Miller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Why an organization would need an enterprise DB team The part I always enjoy is when I point out some schema defeciencies and the response is "yep, we agree. However we promised the users that we would put this project into production tomorrow, and we can't delay it." If you raise a big stink, then everybody from senior management on down comes away feeling "those uncooperative DBAs always cause a problem." Dennis Williams