My point was just that the days when Oracle cheerfully sat on top of an OS, completely relying on the OS for every piece of functionality outside of running an ACID-compliant database storage engine, are long gone. Matt -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kevin Closson Sent: Mon 4/17/2006 4:10 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Oracle ventures into the O/S market.....? This list does not make Oracle an OS. Try implementing any of that stuff without an OS underneath and the point will be crystal clear.. ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew Zito Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 12:19 PM To: ryan_gaffuri@xxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Oracle ventures into the O/S market.....? I have a talk I give at OUGs around the country about database automation that makes a few general points on this subject: - Oracle's database is getting closer to an OS all the time. We can look at some of the features that Oracle has internally like: --- Cluster framework (CRS) --- IP and network management (VIPs - yes, part of the CRS, I know) --- Built-in memory management (automatic SGA, etc. tuning) --- Built-in storage/volume management (ASM) --- Filesystem structures (tablespaces, OCFS, etc.)