[nvda-addons] Re: Symbol Insertion dialog addon
- From: Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: nvda-addons@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 21:40:19 +0530
Hi,
I will try the ordinal Alt method you shared.
'just because one person needs a
specific feature doesn't mean others are in need of it '
I have recently began working with Maths & Science ACCESS instructors,
and my fellow students, and on seeing the need for such a feature by
me and fellow students, have thereby requested for such an addon. It
isn't feature duplication, since I have given a use case.
'just because another screen reader has a feature doesn't
mean NVDA should follow and implement it. '
I do understand what you are pointin out :) I do apologize for those
(past mistakes), but I wouldn'put this request into that category,
since I have felt its need many a times and have given a use case.
Thanks.
On 10/21/14, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Derek and all,
> Very good points.
> Another thing to note is that not all synthesizers have implemented a way
> to
> pronounce majority of these Unicode characters, so it may create more work
> than needed - not only use the proposed add-on, but also modify the
> voice-specific speech dictionary to allow the synthesizer to pronounce the
> symbol correctly.
> Lastly, I would like to take this time to bring up something that was in my
> mind for a while: just because another screen reader has a feature doesn't
> mean NVDA should follow and implement it. Some of these features found in
> other screen readers were implemented when it was difficult for users to
> work with a particular app, or needed to use a feature in specific
> circumstances. Although it is good to see that NVDA is starting to support
> professional applications, we should not be caught up within a storm of
> feature duplication, as some of the recent suggestions and add-on ideas are
> somewhat questionable (in my opinion). Also, just because one person needs
> a
> specific feature doesn't mean others are in need of it - perhaps later when
> the need arises (some of our current add-ons were started as personal
> projects, then the authors decided to share them with the community in
> hopes
> that others will find it useful).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
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> From: nvda-addons-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:nvda-addons-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of derek riemer
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:20 AM
> To: nvda-addons@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [nvda-addons] Re: Symbol Insertion dialog addon
>
> Not a bad idea I don't think. I will throw some points out.
> From a developer's perspective, this presents a number of interesting
> challenges.
> (what is a "common symbol")
> (I feel, this shouldn't be merged into nvda core when done, if we do it,
> because if it is, then that defetes the purpose of nvda only providing
> screen reader capabilities).
> Similar features exist with the emodicons addon. Of course that uses
> emogie,
> but could this be part of an emogie addon? I mean, we were thinking of
> writing an extended speech dictionaries addon, why not just add some
> common
> symbols and such? It would be as easy to do that as it wouldd be to write a
> whole new implementation.
>
> As well, If you do scientific or mathematical work on a computer with a
> screen reader like you were mentioning, I will throw a word of wisdom that
> I
> have had to figure out as I started using computers for mathematics
> relatively recently.
> You really oar putting yourself into a hole by using microsoft word or
> other
> wysiwyg editors for mathmatics. You probably should learn how to use nemeth
> and use nemetex ( http://www.accessisoft.com/nemetex.htm ) or learn how to
> type math in la tex. It has a much much harder learning curve, but it will
> save you hour's of work in word being frustrated.
> This is because word was not designed to do mathematical writing. At most,
> word was written for publishing an equation or a few equations. If you need
> to use word, you might take a look at the mathtype plugin for word, as that
> will allow easier creation of the symbols you need. A symbols list won't
> fix
> the issue of going to the word symbols list, it will just outsource the
> symbols list to nvda itself. Please provide any feedback to me if you feel
> I
> am wrong though.
>
> Thanks,
> Derek
>
> Subscribe to my new mailing list for blind people to discuss technology.
> //www.freelists.org/list/at-discuss4vi
>
> On 10/21/2014 06:57, Bhavya shah wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> You all might say that such an add-on wouldn't benefit the blind,
>> because the sighted people currently do it the same way as screen
>> reader (NVDA specifically, not JAWS) users do, but a similar feature
>> is present in JAWS, which in my experience, is found useful by all
>> people who type Maths (including me).
>> So, the action I m talking about here is symbol insertion.
>> By symbols, I am referring to mathematical symbols, scientific symbols
>> and practically any other symbol.
>> Normally, a person to type complex symbols has to either press a key
>> if one on his or her keyboard is assigned to the desired symbol (which
>> is highly unlikely in the case of complex symbols and mainstream
>> keyboards), or if the current application provides, then access the
>> application specific Symbols list dialog and after locating the
>> desired symbol, press Enter on it. By the way, I have also heard of a
>> method of typing symbols by the numeric keypad, but haven't found any
>> laptop keyboard alternative.
>> So, I propose the creation of an add-on in which:
>> When the user presses a particular keystroke the Symbol Insertion
>> dialog comes up.
>> The Symbol Insertion dialog contains a predefined list of some
>> symbols, which can be quickly accessed by first letter navigation and
>> when pressed Enter on, the symbol gets typed into the current editable
>> field, if any has focus.
>> The dialog contains the following buttons:
>> Type button : types the currently selected symbol Copy to clipboard
>> button: This option copies the currently selected symbol to the
>> clipboard, so that the user can type that quickly by a Ctrl V.
>> Add... button: This button opens the Add Custom Symbols dialog box,
>> where the user is allowed to add custom symbols. The Add Custom
>> Symbols dialog contains the options; Symbol: edit field (where user
>> can enter the custom symbol) and the Replacement: edit field: (where
>> the user can enter the custom name of the symbol, name is displayed in
>> the Symbol Insertion dialog, where the name decides the first letter
>> navigation). and the Add button and Cancel button (which do the action
>> their names suggest).
>> Delete button: This button deletes the currently selected symbol from
>> the Symbol Insertion dialog, to remove symbols that the user does not
>> use at all, and thereby reduce clutter and allow faster first letter
>> navigation.
>> Cancel button: This button exits the dialog without performing any
>> action.
>> When the user hits the Enter key on the currently selected symbol or
>> on the Type button, the dialog should be automatically exitted.
>> If Jamie and Mick Sir allow, and if such an addon is created, then it
>> can be merged into NVDA itself.
>> I hope someone may be able to develop such an addon.
>> I would appreciate any assistance.
>> Best Regards
>> Bhavya Shah
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Bhavya Shah
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