[ntnm] Re: feedback trial 3
- From: "Long, Alison" <Alison.Long@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 20:47:51 +0100
Sorry, yes there was a CDROM option. This has been discontinued and customers
transferred to the etext service.
Thanks
Alison
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From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Derek Hornby
Sent: 20 May 2014 20:41
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: feedback trial 3
I am meaning that TNAUK used to offera cd
With all the news papers on it, plus, all the magazines on it.
The CD was posted out once a week and was for computers.
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From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Mailbox, RNIB Solutions
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:32 PM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: feedback trial 3
Hi,
We offer both, audio CD, which is one title per CD and then Daisy
compilation CDs, which require a Daisy player. The compilations cover
women's titles, general interest, current affairs and arts and
entertainment.
Thanks
Alison
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From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Derek Hornby
Sent: 20 May 2014 17:49
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: feedback trial 3
Hi Dan
I thought everything is on same CD
Is that a different service.
Regards, Derek
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From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Dan Roche
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:33 PM
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: feedback trial 3
Hi William,
If you get a magazine on a cd, you can just pay via each title.
Dan
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From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of William Lomas
Sent: 20 May 2014 17:08
To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ntnm] Re: feedback trial 3
I agree. For my part though, installing a program called Documents onto my
iPhone, has allowed me to save the HTML version of my newspaper, directly
onto my phone to Read off-line.
I do think though, the system of which newspapers WAN can choose by email
should they wish to do so, should be available. Also, whilst not directly
related to the email test trial, I would like to point out that a system
where one can subscribe to one audio newspaper, rather than the whole amount
available, would be great. For example the inside soap magazine is only
available in MP3, yet I don't want to pay for the rest of the audio service,
only that one publication to be able to download, what do people think?
The email delivery service though, I feel is able to work. The distinction
does need to be made though, which ineligible see what technically minded,
and those who may not be able to use it to its full advantage, but yet you
still want access to the publications.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 20 May 2014, at 16:38, "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> Do you think we will end up with a system that only the
> Computer experts can manage to read!
>
> I feel everyone's skills, abilities, needs to be taken in to account.
>
> It's like Braille books production.
> Both grade one and grade two is usually offered.
> Why offer grade one?
> It's so that those that cannot manage grade two
> Are still able to read a Braille book!
>
> So in the case of the news papers a-technic newsreader
> And also "guide" both need to be on offer as was the case
> With TNA UK
>
>
> Regards, Derek
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Huw Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:12 PM
> To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ntnm] Re: feedback trial 3
>
> Here is a copy of my feedback to trial 3:
>
> Thank you for the 'New Scientist' on 20 May. It is, of course, a most
> interesting and weighty magazine.
>
> I believe the only practicable way of tackling it involves using both
> versions, relying on the html's contents and then searching within the tex
> version as necessary. Neither version, in my view, is satisfactory on its
> own - the html being unsearchable and the text lacking a contents and
> numbered sections. While it is possible to cope with the magazine in this
> clumsy manner, it is a retrograde step when compared with the ease with
> which the text version could be read in the past.
>
>
>
> Am I correct in saying that apart from the fact that each is presented as
a
> single item only, these do not differ from the corresponding versions of
the
>
> 'Sunday Times', which you sent in the second trial?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Huw Evans.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:36 PM
> Subject: [ntnm] Re: comment on news papers and magazine"improvements"
>
>
> Well I hope they do a fix so that a-technic newsreader works.
>
> Derek
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Isaac Porat
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 7:23 AM
> To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ntnm] Re: comment on news papers and magazine"improvements"
>
> Hi Huw and list
>
> In reply to your question, purely from a technical point of view there
> are in my mind two main issues:
>
> 1. Creating by the automatic system well structured publications as
> opposed to page based publications as they are now.
> This will allow easier navigation as we were accustom to while reading
> the TNAUK publications. It should be emphasized that this is
> independent of the actual format be it HTML epub or text, structure is
> structure. Of course a structured publication can have page information
> too for those who wants it as it was with the TNAUK format.
>
> 2. Supplying The '.doc' TNAUK format.
>
> Personally I think well structured publications are essential for
> efficient and pleasant reading experience. There are however readers
> with minimal computer skills and for those structure will make little
> difference if all one knows is to read line by line and perhaps jump
> from one article to the next.
>
> Again personally I will not miss the '.doc' format, moving to well
> recognized international formats is a good thing of course if there are
> reading systems out there to take advantage of these. To read HTML in
> principle all you need is a browser and any text editor will read text
> of course if these are not well structured than reading is hard work.
>
> As I mentioned previously on this thread structuring publications is a
> lot more difficult than what RNIB is doing at present which means
> programming investment in the automatic system which costs money and
> takes time.
>
> Deserved or not RNIB is known for 'top down, we know what is good for
> you approach.
> Will the survey be an exercise in political correctness or a genuine
> attempt to resolve the problem I don't know. However, there is a new
> top management in the media and solutions sections lets see what they
> can do.
>
> Regards
> Isaac
>
> n 16/05/2014 21:44, Huw Evans wrote:
>> Hi Isaac,
>>
>> I'm wondering whether there are any technical (non-financial) reasons
>> why RNIB cannot provide the service we were accustomed to get from
>> Tnauk and whether you are prepared to
>>
>> comment on this.
>>
>> My belief is that recent events have established that our needs as
>> newspaper and magazine readers differ fundamentally from our needs
>> when reading books and that distinct separate non procrustean
>> arrangements are needed for providing a satisfactory service. Now
>> that our needs are more clearly understood, I have no doubt that the
>> RNIB would be concerned to provide us with such an obviously valuable
>> service and that it would be an wonderful complement to the talking
>> books service.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe the coming May consultation exercise should be regarded as
>> part of the planning procedure and that all users should be given an
>> opportunity to consider all options (i.e. including the tnauk type
>> presentation). RnIB should then be prepared to go back to the drawing
>> board, obtain any necessary expert advice and make appropriate
>> adjustments to allocations of resources and budgets.
>>
>> Huw.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Porat" <isaac@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:33 AM
>> Subject: [ntnm] Re: comment on news papers and magazine"improvements"
>>
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I was involved with the TNAUK computer systems as a volunteer so I
>>> have some knowledge how these things work...
>>>
>>> You are right and wrong.
>>>
>>> Most of the newspapers and very few magazines come from the
>>> association NLA feed so in theory (and mostly in practice) they can
>>> be produced like sausages automatically and therefore cheap to produce.
>>>
>>> Most of the magazines are complex, have lots of none relevant
>>> graphics, come in complex formats and need to be produced manually
>>> and therefore there is a cost (if I remember correctly 2 - 4 hours)
>>> each to produce.
>>>
>>> Going back to the NLA automatic system, producing publications
>>> properly structured with sections is more complex; for a start not
>>> all publications specify the section information in a uniform way
>>> (some don't) so a lot more effort is required to develop and maintain
>>> such a system. Like many people on this list I agree that this is
>>> essential.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 15/05/2014 17:53, Derek Hornby wrote:
>>>> The strange thing is though, whether there a just few
>>>> Subscribers to a publication, or few hundred, the costs are same!
>>>> So this brings us to an interesting point.
>>>>
>>>> We pay £39 a year, and can have as many publication as we want.
>>>> Should we pay according to how many publications we subscribe to?
>>>>
>>>> If we are to be equal to sighted world, should we not pay
>>>> Same cover price as the sighted!
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Derek
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ntnm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf
>>>> Of Mark Kirkham
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 5:31 PM
>>>> To: ntnm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [ntnm] Re: comment on news papers and magazine"improvements"
>>>>
>>>> And hardly the greatest surprise is that we have already seen the
>>>> RNIB about
>>>> to discontinue some minority titles. I've just had an email
>>>> informing me
>>>> that the Wisden Cricketer is to go due to lack of subscribers. And
>>>> don't you
>>>> just love that email address they use to send emails: Mailbox, RNIB
>>>> solutions - oh how amusing!
>>>> Mark
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