[nikonf4] Re: Fwd: Monitor Discussion
- From: Koichi Mac <nikonf3tmd4@xxxxxxx>
- To: nikonf4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 02:30:55 -0800
When it comes to premium monitors for photo / video editing, Eizo /
Nanao always comes on top. NEC / Mitsubishi comes close second. At least that
was the way it was until last year.
But……with the availability of accurate color calibration software
nowadays, I'm beginning to think I have less reason to lust for these high-end
monitors. Or, am I missing something?
Koichi Yasutani - a.k.a. Steve + MP
Lakewood, WA U.S.A.
2010 / 11 / 25 02:31 PST
On Nov 23, 2010, at 2130 , Eric Welch wrote:
> From what I'm hearing, Dell and HP are making the best monitors that aren't
> really pro-level video editing monitors that cost thousands of dollars. NEC
> is good too, but I have had a bad experience with my current second monitor
> that is an NEC, and it simply cannot be calibrated. It's too bright. You
> can't turn it down enough to fit into the range that's calibratable. It's
> probably an oddball, but consdering there's such good alternatives for good
> prices, I can't see myself buying an NEC.
>
> On Nov 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Frank Armstrong wrote:
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Monitor Discussion
>> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:20:00 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Billie M <bmercertx@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Frank Armstrong <frankarmstrong@xxxxxxxxxxx>, bmercertx@xxxxxxxxx
>> This was sent to me by Billie -- she's been a big NEC fan for some years now.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frank, Don't know if you need a monitor but these discussions are good to
>> save.
>> Thought you might be interested.
>>
>>
>>
>> Re: monitor rec.
>> Posted by: "peegeenyc" peegeenyc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx peegeenyc
>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:20 am (PST)
>>
>>
>>
>> I have owned Eizo, NEC, Apple and Dell monitors, mostly in the higher/larger
>> end. The Eizo was broken and went straight back to them, it cost $4500 and
>> changed color from one side to the other. They didn't bother to argue, it
>> was a
>> panel issue, and I saw them being sold off cheap 9 months later. I expect my
>> Eizo experience was rare, but at Eizo's prices and 'reputation' that product
>> should never have made it to market.
>>
>> NEC are very good and serious display manufacturer. Do not muddle them in
>> with
>> the others. The WQXi range is highly thought of, and the updated
>> replacements -
>> the PA series, even more so, with 14bit LUT and cutting edge Japanese IPS
>> panels
>> with very wide viewing angles. The PA271W is a good one to go for, if you
>> like
>> larger displays, with 27" a lot of pixels (2560 horizontal - same as 30"
>> displays, but just 10% less vertically) and Display Port adapters, etc. I
>> don't
>> think the 30" model is out in the PA range as yet, but the 27" is close and
>> good
>> value at ~$1300 street. They come with software for high level calibration,
>> renamed "Spectraview II" (I think its Color Eyes re-branded). If you have an
>> ATI
>> FirePro graphics card you can have a full 10bit pipeline with these PA
>> displays,
>> and Photoshop CS4/5.
>>
>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/Products/ Product/? product=ea6da8b1 -47a5-4ebf-
>> 8992-420aa57961c a
>>
>> 10bit pipeline info from AMD (ATI), with graphic cards and monitors from HP,
>> Dell, Eizo and NEC that support 10 bit listed (models a bit out of date now):
>>
>> http://www.amd. com/us/Documents /48108-B_ ATI_FirePro_ Adobe_10- Bit_FAQ_R5_
>> Final.pdf
>>
>> I also read good things about an HP 30" panel, and a web search would
>> probably
>> bring up that review. Thats terrific value, apparently, if you want the full
>> 30"
>> experience. As everybody says... forget about Apple, they have been
>> outclassed,
>> its only worth it if you must have a designer look to your system, and are
>> willing to buy inferior products to get that.
>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Stephen Best wrote:
>>>
>>> > Apple monitors today are aimed at consumers and aren't suitable for
>>> colour-critical work.
>>>
>>
>>
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>> 2b.
>> Re: monitor rec.
>> Posted by: "Matt Freedman" matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mattf_cac
>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:50 am (PST)
>>
>>
>> Anybody have any thoughts on how the Dell U3011 would compare to the other
>> monitors being discussed?
>>
>> Here is a review of it...
>> http://www.flatpane lshd.com/ review.php? subaction= showfull& id=1288168155
>>
>> -- Matt
>> www.silentcolor. com
>>
>>
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>> 2c.
>> Re: monitor rec.
>> Posted by: "ben" benjschneider2@xxxxxxxxx benjschneider2
>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:10 pm (PST)
>>
>>
>> I had a voltage surge that fried two of my monitors, so I replaced them. I
>> purchased two different Samsung LED monitors. A XL2370, and a PX2370. The
>> monitors' images are great, but I would not recommend them for photography
>> use.
>>
>> The problem with both is that the image appears to change with changes in
>> viewing distance, and head elevation. Getting a good exposure, and/or
>> contrast
>> is a hit and miss process with them. The color seems to be true though.
>>
>> I have had these monitors for just three months, but last night I was
>> looking at
>> replacements. I hate to go the $1400 for an Eizo, but is it the only game in
>> town? I was also considering a LaCie at $900.
>>
>> I am glad to see this timely post even though some would consider it off
>> topic.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
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>> 2d.
>> Re: monitor rec.
>> Posted by: "tlbepson" tlbtlb@xxxxxxxx tlbepson
>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:26 pm (PST)
>>
>>
>>>> "peegeenyc" <peegeenyc@. ..>: The WQXi range is highly thought of, and the
>>>> updated replacements - the PA series, even more so, with 14bit LUT and
>>>> cutting
>>>> edge Japanese IPS panels with very wide viewing angles. The PA271W is a
>>>> good one
>>>> to go for, if you like larger displays, with 27" a lot of pixels (2560
>>>> horizontal - same as 30" displays, but just 10% less vertically) and
>>>> Display
>>>> Port adapters, etc. I don't think the 30" model is out in the PA range as
>>>> yet,
>>>> but the 27" is close and good value at ~$1300 street. They come with
>>>> software
>>>> for high level calibration, renamed "Spectraview II" (I think its Color
>>>> Eyes
>>>> re-branded).
>>>>
>>
>> There has been a recent discussion (starting on/about November 10th and has
>> continued into this week--thread subject is "NEC PA271W")on Apple's Colorsync
>> Users List ( http://lists. apple.com/ mailman/listinfo /colorsync- users to
>> subscribe) about the NEC PA monitors and they are VERY highly thought of.
>> Apparently they are calibrated at the factory--special sort of hardware
>> calibration) and are built to maintain that calibration over the life of the
>> monitor. Note though that they are new enough that the new on-going
>> calibration
>> process does not have a proven track record yet so...time will tell.
>>
>> Apparently the PA monitors sell both with and without the SpectraView
>> software
>> and after reading the posting from Chris Murphy on the colorsync users list,
>> the
>> SpectraView software is NOT needed. NEC provides (for FREE!) the
>> MultiProfiler
>> software designed specifically for the PA series of monitors:
>>
>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/MultiProf iler/downloads/
>>
>> Note that this is the SLOWEST PAGE I have ever seen (I'm running on fairly
>> fast
>> broadband) and the downloads take a really LONG time but hey, it's free and
>> so
>> if you have a PA monitor, it's probably worth the wait...'-}}
>>
>> There was a lot of chatter (and envy) on the colorsync users lists when the
>> HP
>> 30" Dream Monitor was released. A number of list members bought the monitor
>> but
>> there were a number of issues with it and I think that the its promise wasn't
>> fulfilled--particul arly at the price it was selling for--and there hasn't
>> been
>> much discussion about it recently during this NEC PA monitor discussion.
>>
>>
>> By the way...I'm pc-based but I find the colorsync users list to be very
>> informative- -and...they don't hold it against me that I'm pc-based...' -}}
>>
>> Hope that helps...
>>
>> Terrie
>> http://tlbtlb. com/
>> tlbtlb@mail. com
>>
>>
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>> 2e.
>> Re: monitor rec.
>> Posted by: "Stephen Best" bitwareoz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx bitwareoz
>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:38 pm (PST)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In EpsonWideFormat@ yahoogroups. com, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Apparently the PA monitors sell both with and without the SpectraView
>>> software
>>> and after reading the posting from Chris Murphy on the colorsync users
>>> list, the
>>> SpectraView software is NOT needed. NEC provides (for FREE!) the
>>> MultiProfiler
>>> software designed specifically for the PA series of monitors:
>>>
>>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/MultiProf iler/downloads/
>>
>> I have the SpectraView Reference version of the PA271W (same monitor but hand
>> picked and certified). Whilst the measurements I get with SpectraView
>> Profiler
>> are excellent I prefer to run my monitor with MultiProfiler alone as the
>> results
>> are smoother and perfectly neutral. The differences in colour and gamut are
>> negligible. Whether this holds true over the life of the monitor remains to
>> be
>> seen.
>>
>>
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>> 2f.
>> Re: monitor rec.
>> Posted by: "peegeenyc" peegeenyc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx peegeenyc
>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:26 pm (PST)
>>
>>
>> Exactly - if I was buying a monitor tomorrow, this would be it.
>>
>> check if you need a graphics card with dual link DVI capability for this(ie
>> one
>> that can drive a 30" monitor), I suspect you do.
>>
>> --- In EpsonWideFormat@ yahoogroups. com, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>"peegeenyc" <peegeenyc@> : The WQXi range is highly thought of, and the
>>> updated replacements - the PA series, even more so, with 14bit LUT and
>>> cutting
>>> edge Japanese IPS panels with very wide viewing angles. The PA271W is a
>>> good one
>>> to go for, if you like larger displays, with 27" a lot of pixels (2560
>>> horizontal - same as 30" displays, but just 10% less vertically) and Display
>>> Port adapters, etc. I don't think the 30" model is out in the PA range as
>>> yet,
>>> but the 27" is close and good value at ~$1300 street. They come with
>>> software
>>> for high level calibration, renamed "Spectraview II" (I think its Color Eyes
>>> re-branded).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There has been a recent discussion (starting on/about November 10th and has
>>> continued into this week--thread subject is "NEC PA271W")on Apple's
>>> Colorsync
>>> Users List ( http://lists. apple.com/ mailman/listinfo /colorsync- users to
>>> subscribe) about the NEC PA monitors and they are VERY highly thought of.
>>> Apparently they are calibrated at the factory--special sort of hardware
>>> calibration) and are built to maintain that calibration over the life of the
>>> monitor. Note though that they are new enough that the new on-going
>>> calibration
>>> process does not have a proven track record yet so...time will tell.
>>>
>>> Apparently the PA monitors sell both with and without the SpectraView
>>> software
>>> and after reading the posting from Chris Murphy on the colorsync users
>>> list, the
>>> SpectraView software is NOT needed. NEC provides (for FREE!) the
>>> MultiProfiler
>>> software designed specifically for the PA series of monitors:
>>>
>>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/MultiProf iler/downloads/
>>>
>>> Note that this is the SLOWEST PAGE I have ever seen (I'm running on fairly
>>> fast
>>> broadband) and the downloads take a really LONG time but hey, it's free and
>>> so
>>> if you have a PA monitor, it's probably worth the wait...'-}}
>>>
>>> There was a lot of chatter (and envy) on the colorsync users lists when the
>>> HP
>>> 30" Dream Monitor was released. A number of list members bought the monitor
>>> but
>>> there were a number of issues with it and I think that the its promise
>>> wasn't
>>> fulfilled--particul arly at the price it was selling for--and there hasn't
>>> been
>>> much discussion about it recently during this NEC PA monitor discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way...I'm pc-based but I find the colorsync users list to be very
>>> informative- -and...they don't hold it against me that I'm pc-based...' -}}
>>>
>>> Hope that helps...
>>>
>>> Terrie
>>> http://tlbtlb. com/
>>> tlbtlb@...
>>>
>>
>>
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>> 2g.
>> Re: monitor rec.
>> Posted by: "tlbepson" tlbtlb@xxxxxxxx tlbepson
>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:38 pm (PST)
>>
>>
>>>> "Stephen Best" <bitwareoz@. ..>: I have the SpectraView Reference version
>>>> of the
>>>> PA271W (same monitor but hand picked and certified). Whilst the
>>>> measurements I
>>>> get with SpectraView Profiler are excellent I prefer to run my monitor with
>>>> MultiProfiler alone as the results are smoother and perfectly neutral. The
>>>> differences in colour and gamut are negligible. Whether this holds true
>>>> over the
>>>> life of the monitor remains to be seen.
>>
>> So, given your experience, it's worth the extra cost to get the SpectraView
>> software?
>>
>> From memory when I bought my NEC 2090Uxi, the SpectraView software was an
>> additional $100 (or thereabouts) so my guess is that if the software price is
>> similar and you are already thinking of spending $1300 (I think that's the
>> going
>> rate for the PA-27), then another $100 is probably not that big a deal...
>>
>> Terrie
>> http://tlbtlb. com/
>> tlbtlb@mail. com
>>
>>
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>> 2h.
>> Re: monitor rec.
>> Posted by: "Stephen Best" bitwareoz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx bitwareoz
>> Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:46 am (PST)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In EpsonWideFormat@ yahoogroups. com, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:
>>
>>> So, given your experience, it's worth the extra cost to get the SpectraView
>>> software?
>>
>> Without the mated colorimeter? No. It's worthwhile evaluating the results
>> from
>> MultiProfiler first. It comes down to whether you trust your own eyes, or
>> need
>> external confirmation ... such as it is,
>>
>>
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