[nikonf4] Re: Fwd: Monitor Discussion
- From: Eric Welch <ericwelch@xxxxxx>
- To: "nikonf4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <nikonf4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 04:49:35 -0800
Not any more in the price ranges were talking. HP is now tops. Eizo consumer
models aren't that good.
Eric
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On Nov 25, 2010, at 2:30 AM, Koichi Mac <nikonf3tmd4@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> When it comes to premium monitors for photo / video editing, Eizo / Nanao
> always comes on top. NEC / Mitsubishi comes close second. At least that was
> the way it was until last year.
>
> But……with the availability of accurate color calibration software
> nowadays, I'm beginning to think I have less reason to lust for these
> high-end monitors. Or, am I missing something?
>
>
> Koichi Yasutani - a.k.a. Steve + MP
> Lakewood, WA U.S.A.
> 2010 / 11 / 25 02:31 PST
>
> On Nov 23, 2010, at 2130 , Eric Welch wrote:
>
>> From what I'm hearing, Dell and HP are making the best monitors that aren't
>> really pro-level video editing monitors that cost thousands of dollars. NEC
>> is good too, but I have had a bad experience with my current second monitor
>> that is an NEC, and it simply cannot be calibrated. It's too bright. You
>> can't turn it down enough to fit into the range that's calibratable. It's
>> probably an oddball, but consdering there's such good alternatives for good
>> prices, I can't see myself buying an NEC.
>>
>> On Nov 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Frank Armstrong wrote:
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Monitor Discussion
>>> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:20:00 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Billie M <bmercertx@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: Frank Armstrong <frankarmstrong@xxxxxxxxxxx>, bmercertx@xxxxxxxxx
>>> This was sent to me by Billie -- she's been a big NEC fan for some years
>>> now.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Frank, Don't know if you need a monitor but these discussions are good to
>>> save.
>>> Thought you might be interested.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Re: monitor rec.
>>> Posted by: "peegeenyc" peegeenyc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx peegeenyc
>>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:20 am (PST)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have owned Eizo, NEC, Apple and Dell monitors, mostly in the higher/larger
>>> end. The Eizo was broken and went straight back to them, it cost $4500 and
>>> changed color from one side to the other. They didn't bother to argue, it
>>> was a
>>> panel issue, and I saw them being sold off cheap 9 months later. I expect my
>>> Eizo experience was rare, but at Eizo's prices and 'reputation' that product
>>> should never have made it to market.
>>>
>>> NEC are very good and serious display manufacturer. Do not muddle them in
>>> with
>>> the others. The WQXi range is highly thought of, and the updated
>>> replacements -
>>> the PA series, even more so, with 14bit LUT and cutting edge Japanese IPS
>>> panels
>>> with very wide viewing angles. The PA271W is a good one to go for, if you
>>> like
>>> larger displays, with 27" a lot of pixels (2560 horizontal - same as 30"
>>> displays, but just 10% less vertically) and Display Port adapters, etc. I
>>> don't
>>> think the 30" model is out in the PA range as yet, but the 27" is close and
>>> good
>>> value at ~$1300 street. They come with software for high level calibration,
>>> renamed "Spectraview II" (I think its Color Eyes re-branded). If you have
>>> an ATI
>>> FirePro graphics card you can have a full 10bit pipeline with these PA
>>> displays,
>>> and Photoshop CS4/5.
>>>
>>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/Products/ Product/? product=ea6da8b1 -47a5-4ebf-
>>> 8992-420aa57961c a
>>>
>>> 10bit pipeline info from AMD (ATI), with graphic cards and monitors from HP,
>>> Dell, Eizo and NEC that support 10 bit listed (models a bit out of date
>>> now):
>>>
>>> http://www.amd. com/us/Documents /48108-B_ ATI_FirePro_ Adobe_10-
>>> Bit_FAQ_R5_
>>> Final.pdf
>>>
>>> I also read good things about an HP 30" panel, and a web search would
>>> probably
>>> bring up that review. Thats terrific value, apparently, if you want the
>>> full 30"
>>> experience. As everybody says... forget about Apple, they have been
>>> outclassed,
>>> its only worth it if you must have a designer look to your system, and are
>>> willing to buy inferior products to get that.
>>>
>>>> On Nov 17, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Stephen Best wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apple monitors today are aimed at consumers and aren't suitable for
>>>> colour-critical work.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2b.
>>> Re: monitor rec.
>>> Posted by: "Matt Freedman" matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mattf_cac
>>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:50 am (PST)
>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody have any thoughts on how the Dell U3011 would compare to the other
>>> monitors being discussed?
>>>
>>> Here is a review of it...
>>> http://www.flatpane lshd.com/ review.php? subaction= showfull& id=1288168155
>>>
>>> -- Matt
>>> www.silentcolor. com
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2c.
>>> Re: monitor rec.
>>> Posted by: "ben" benjschneider2@xxxxxxxxx benjschneider2
>>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:10 pm (PST)
>>>
>>>
>>> I had a voltage surge that fried two of my monitors, so I replaced them. I
>>> purchased two different Samsung LED monitors. A XL2370, and a PX2370. The
>>> monitors' images are great, but I would not recommend them for photography
>>> use.
>>>
>>> The problem with both is that the image appears to change with changes in
>>> viewing distance, and head elevation. Getting a good exposure, and/or
>>> contrast
>>> is a hit and miss process with them. The color seems to be true though.
>>>
>>> I have had these monitors for just three months, but last night I was
>>> looking at
>>> replacements. I hate to go the $1400 for an Eizo, but is it the only game in
>>> town? I was also considering a LaCie at $900.
>>>
>>> I am glad to see this timely post even though some would consider it off
>>> topic.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2d.
>>> Re: monitor rec.
>>> Posted by: "tlbepson" tlbtlb@xxxxxxxx tlbepson
>>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:26 pm (PST)
>>>
>>>
>>>>> "peegeenyc" <peegeenyc@. ..>: The WQXi range is highly thought of, and the
>>>>> updated replacements - the PA series, even more so, with 14bit LUT and
>>>>> cutting
>>>>> edge Japanese IPS panels with very wide viewing angles. The PA271W is a
>>>>> good one
>>>>> to go for, if you like larger displays, with 27" a lot of pixels (2560
>>>>> horizontal - same as 30" displays, but just 10% less vertically) and
>>>>> Display
>>>>> Port adapters, etc. I don't think the 30" model is out in the PA range as
>>>>> yet,
>>>>> but the 27" is close and good value at ~$1300 street. They come with
>>>>> software
>>>>> for high level calibration, renamed "Spectraview II" (I think its Color
>>>>> Eyes
>>>>> re-branded).
>>>>>
>>>
>>> There has been a recent discussion (starting on/about November 10th and has
>>> continued into this week--thread subject is "NEC PA271W")on Apple's
>>> Colorsync
>>> Users List ( http://lists. apple.com/ mailman/listinfo /colorsync- users to
>>> subscribe) about the NEC PA monitors and they are VERY highly thought of.
>>> Apparently they are calibrated at the factory--special sort of hardware
>>> calibration) and are built to maintain that calibration over the life of the
>>> monitor. Note though that they are new enough that the new on-going
>>> calibration
>>> process does not have a proven track record yet so...time will tell.
>>>
>>> Apparently the PA monitors sell both with and without the SpectraView
>>> software
>>> and after reading the posting from Chris Murphy on the colorsync users
>>> list, the
>>> SpectraView software is NOT needed. NEC provides (for FREE!) the
>>> MultiProfiler
>>> software designed specifically for the PA series of monitors:
>>>
>>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/MultiProf iler/downloads/
>>>
>>> Note that this is the SLOWEST PAGE I have ever seen (I'm running on fairly
>>> fast
>>> broadband) and the downloads take a really LONG time but hey, it's free and
>>> so
>>> if you have a PA monitor, it's probably worth the wait...'-}}
>>>
>>> There was a lot of chatter (and envy) on the colorsync users lists when the
>>> HP
>>> 30" Dream Monitor was released. A number of list members bought the monitor
>>> but
>>> there were a number of issues with it and I think that the its promise
>>> wasn't
>>> fulfilled--particul arly at the price it was selling for--and there hasn't
>>> been
>>> much discussion about it recently during this NEC PA monitor discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way...I'm pc-based but I find the colorsync users list to be very
>>> informative- -and...they don't hold it against me that I'm pc-based...' -}}
>>>
>>> Hope that helps...
>>>
>>> Terrie
>>> http://tlbtlb. com/
>>> tlbtlb@mail. com
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2e.
>>> Re: monitor rec.
>>> Posted by: "Stephen Best" bitwareoz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx bitwareoz
>>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:38 pm (PST)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In EpsonWideFormat@ yahoogroups. com, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apparently the PA monitors sell both with and without the SpectraView
>>>> software
>>>> and after reading the posting from Chris Murphy on the colorsync users
>>>> list, the
>>>> SpectraView software is NOT needed. NEC provides (for FREE!) the
>>>> MultiProfiler
>>>> software designed specifically for the PA series of monitors:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/MultiProf iler/downloads/
>>>
>>> I have the SpectraView Reference version of the PA271W (same monitor but
>>> hand
>>> picked and certified). Whilst the measurements I get with SpectraView
>>> Profiler
>>> are excellent I prefer to run my monitor with MultiProfiler alone as the
>>> results
>>> are smoother and perfectly neutral. The differences in colour and gamut are
>>> negligible. Whether this holds true over the life of the monitor remains to
>>> be
>>> seen.
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2f.
>>> Re: monitor rec.
>>> Posted by: "peegeenyc" peegeenyc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx peegeenyc
>>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:26 pm (PST)
>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly - if I was buying a monitor tomorrow, this would be it.
>>>
>>> check if you need a graphics card with dual link DVI capability for this(ie
>>> one
>>> that can drive a 30" monitor), I suspect you do.
>>>
>>> --- In EpsonWideFormat@ yahoogroups. com, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "peegeenyc" <peegeenyc@> : The WQXi range is highly thought of, and the
>>>> updated replacements - the PA series, even more so, with 14bit LUT and
>>>> cutting
>>>> edge Japanese IPS panels with very wide viewing angles. The PA271W is a
>>>> good one
>>>> to go for, if you like larger displays, with 27" a lot of pixels (2560
>>>> horizontal - same as 30" displays, but just 10% less vertically) and
>>>> Display
>>>> Port adapters, etc. I don't think the 30" model is out in the PA range as
>>>> yet,
>>>> but the 27" is close and good value at ~$1300 street. They come with
>>>> software
>>>> for high level calibration, renamed "Spectraview II" (I think its Color
>>>> Eyes
>>>> re-branded).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There has been a recent discussion (starting on/about November 10th and has
>>>> continued into this week--thread subject is "NEC PA271W")on Apple's
>>>> Colorsync
>>>> Users List ( http://lists. apple.com/ mailman/listinfo /colorsync- users to
>>>> subscribe) about the NEC PA monitors and they are VERY highly thought of.
>>>> Apparently they are calibrated at the factory--special sort of hardware
>>>> calibration) and are built to maintain that calibration over the life of
>>>> the
>>>> monitor. Note though that they are new enough that the new on-going
>>>> calibration
>>>> process does not have a proven track record yet so...time will tell.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently the PA monitors sell both with and without the SpectraView
>>>> software
>>>> and after reading the posting from Chris Murphy on the colorsync users
>>>> list, the
>>>> SpectraView software is NOT needed. NEC provides (for FREE!) the
>>>> MultiProfiler
>>>> software designed specifically for the PA series of monitors:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/MultiProf iler/downloads/
>>>>
>>>> Note that this is the SLOWEST PAGE I have ever seen (I'm running on fairly
>>>> fast
>>>> broadband) and the downloads take a really LONG time but hey, it's free
>>>> and so
>>>> if you have a PA monitor, it's probably worth the wait...'-}}
>>>>
>>>> There was a lot of chatter (and envy) on the colorsync users lists when
>>>> the HP
>>>> 30" Dream Monitor was released. A number of list members bought the
>>>> monitor but
>>>> there were a number of issues with it and I think that the its promise
>>>> wasn't
>>>> fulfilled--particul arly at the price it was selling for--and there hasn't
>>>> been
>>>> much discussion about it recently during this NEC PA monitor discussion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By the way...I'm pc-based but I find the colorsync users list to be very
>>>> informative- -and...they don't hold it against me that I'm pc-based...' -}}
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps...
>>>>
>>>> Terrie
>>>> http://tlbtlb. com/
>>>> tlbtlb@...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2g.
>>> Re: monitor rec.
>>> Posted by: "tlbepson" tlbtlb@xxxxxxxx tlbepson
>>> Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:38 pm (PST)
>>>
>>>
>>>>> "Stephen Best" <bitwareoz@. ..>: I have the SpectraView Reference version
>>>>> of the
>>>>> PA271W (same monitor but hand picked and certified). Whilst the
>>>>> measurements I
>>>>> get with SpectraView Profiler are excellent I prefer to run my monitor
>>>>> with
>>>>> MultiProfiler alone as the results are smoother and perfectly neutral. The
>>>>> differences in colour and gamut are negligible. Whether this holds true
>>>>> over the
>>>>> life of the monitor remains to be seen.
>>>
>>> So, given your experience, it's worth the extra cost to get the SpectraView
>>> software?
>>>
>>> From memory when I bought my NEC 2090Uxi, the SpectraView software was an
>>> additional $100 (or thereabouts) so my guess is that if the software price
>>> is
>>> similar and you are already thinking of spending $1300 (I think that's the
>>> going
>>> rate for the PA-27), then another $100 is probably not that big a deal...
>>>
>>> Terrie
>>> http://tlbtlb. com/
>>> tlbtlb@mail. com
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2h.
>>> Re: monitor rec.
>>> Posted by: "Stephen Best" bitwareoz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx bitwareoz
>>> Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:46 am (PST)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In EpsonWideFormat@ yahoogroups. com, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, given your experience, it's worth the extra cost to get the SpectraView
>>>> software?
>>>
>>> Without the mated colorimeter? No. It's worthwhile evaluating the results
>>> from
>>> MultiProfiler first. It comes down to whether you trust your own eyes, or
>>> need
>>> external confirmation ... such as it is,
>>>
>>>
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>> Eric
>>
>> “Form and function should be one, joined in a spiritual union..." Frank
>> Lloyd Wright
>>
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