[nikonf4] Re: Fwd: Monitor Discussion
- From: Eric Welch <ericwelch@xxxxxx>
- To: nikonf4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:30:55 -0800
From what I'm hearing, Dell and HP are making the best monitors that aren't
really pro-level video editing monitors that cost thousands of dollars. NEC is
good too, but I have had a bad experience with my current second monitor that
is an NEC, and it simply cannot be calibrated. It's too bright. You can't turn
it down enough to fit into the range that's calibratable. It's probably an
oddball, but consdering there's such good alternatives for good prices, I can't
see myself buying an NEC.
On Nov 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Frank Armstrong wrote:
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Monitor Discussion
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:20:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: Billie M <bmercertx@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Frank Armstrong <frankarmstrong@xxxxxxxxxxx>, bmercertx@xxxxxxxxx
> This was sent to me by Billie -- she's been a big NEC fan for some years now.
>
> Frank
>
>
> Frank, Don't know if you need a monitor but these discussions are good to
> save.
> Thought you might be interested.
>
>
>
> Re: monitor rec.
> Posted by: "peegeenyc" peegeenyc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx peegeenyc
> Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:20 am (PST)
>
>
>
> I have owned Eizo, NEC, Apple and Dell monitors, mostly in the higher/larger
> end. The Eizo was broken and went straight back to them, it cost $4500 and
> changed color from one side to the other. They didn't bother to argue, it was
> a
> panel issue, and I saw them being sold off cheap 9 months later. I expect my
> Eizo experience was rare, but at Eizo's prices and 'reputation' that product
> should never have made it to market.
>
> NEC are very good and serious display manufacturer. Do not muddle them in with
> the others. The WQXi range is highly thought of, and the updated replacements
> -
> the PA series, even more so, with 14bit LUT and cutting edge Japanese IPS
> panels
> with very wide viewing angles. The PA271W is a good one to go for, if you like
> larger displays, with 27" a lot of pixels (2560 horizontal - same as 30"
> displays, but just 10% less vertically) and Display Port adapters, etc. I
> don't
> think the 30" model is out in the PA range as yet, but the 27" is close and
> good
> value at ~$1300 street. They come with software for high level calibration,
> renamed "Spectraview II" (I think its Color Eyes re-branded). If you have an
> ATI
> FirePro graphics card you can have a full 10bit pipeline with these PA
> displays,
> and Photoshop CS4/5.
>
> http://www.necdispl ay.com/Products/ Product/? product=ea6da8b1 -47a5-4ebf-
> 8992-420aa57961c a
>
> 10bit pipeline info from AMD (ATI), with graphic cards and monitors from HP,
> Dell, Eizo and NEC that support 10 bit listed (models a bit out of date now):
>
> http://www.amd. com/us/Documents /48108-B_ ATI_FirePro_ Adobe_10- Bit_FAQ_R5_
> Final.pdf
>
> I also read good things about an HP 30" panel, and a web search would probably
> bring up that review. Thats terrific value, apparently, if you want the full
> 30"
> experience. As everybody says... forget about Apple, they have been
> outclassed,
> its only worth it if you must have a designer look to your system, and are
> willing to buy inferior products to get that.
>
>> On Nov 17, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Stephen Best wrote:
>>
>> > Apple monitors today are aimed at consumers and aren't suitable for
>> colour-critical work.
>>
>
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> 2b.
> Re: monitor rec.
> Posted by: "Matt Freedman" matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mattf_cac
> Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:50 am (PST)
>
>
> Anybody have any thoughts on how the Dell U3011 would compare to the other
> monitors being discussed?
>
> Here is a review of it...
> http://www.flatpane lshd.com/ review.php? subaction= showfull& id=1288168155
>
> -- Matt
> www.silentcolor. com
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> 2c.
> Re: monitor rec.
> Posted by: "ben" benjschneider2@xxxxxxxxx benjschneider2
> Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:10 pm (PST)
>
>
> I had a voltage surge that fried two of my monitors, so I replaced them. I
> purchased two different Samsung LED monitors. A XL2370, and a PX2370. The
> monitors' images are great, but I would not recommend them for photography
> use.
>
> The problem with both is that the image appears to change with changes in
> viewing distance, and head elevation. Getting a good exposure, and/or contrast
> is a hit and miss process with them. The color seems to be true though.
>
> I have had these monitors for just three months, but last night I was looking
> at
> replacements. I hate to go the $1400 for an Eizo, but is it the only game in
> town? I was also considering a LaCie at $900.
>
> I am glad to see this timely post even though some would consider it off
> topic.
>
> Ben
>
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> 2d.
> Re: monitor rec.
> Posted by: "tlbepson" tlbtlb@xxxxxxxx tlbepson
> Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:26 pm (PST)
>
>
>>> "peegeenyc" <peegeenyc@. ..>: The WQXi range is highly thought of, and the
>>> updated replacements - the PA series, even more so, with 14bit LUT and
>>> cutting
>>> edge Japanese IPS panels with very wide viewing angles. The PA271W is a
>>> good one
>>> to go for, if you like larger displays, with 27" a lot of pixels (2560
>>> horizontal - same as 30" displays, but just 10% less vertically) and Display
>>> Port adapters, etc. I don't think the 30" model is out in the PA range as
>>> yet,
>>> but the 27" is close and good value at ~$1300 street. They come with
>>> software
>>> for high level calibration, renamed "Spectraview II" (I think its Color Eyes
>>> re-branded).
>>>
>
> There has been a recent discussion (starting on/about November 10th and has
> continued into this week--thread subject is "NEC PA271W")on Apple's Colorsync
> Users List ( http://lists. apple.com/ mailman/listinfo /colorsync- users to
> subscribe) about the NEC PA monitors and they are VERY highly thought of.
> Apparently they are calibrated at the factory--special sort of hardware
> calibration) and are built to maintain that calibration over the life of the
> monitor. Note though that they are new enough that the new on-going
> calibration
> process does not have a proven track record yet so...time will tell.
>
> Apparently the PA monitors sell both with and without the SpectraView software
> and after reading the posting from Chris Murphy on the colorsync users list,
> the
> SpectraView software is NOT needed. NEC provides (for FREE!) the MultiProfiler
> software designed specifically for the PA series of monitors:
>
> http://www.necdispl ay.com/MultiProf iler/downloads/
>
> Note that this is the SLOWEST PAGE I have ever seen (I'm running on fairly
> fast
> broadband) and the downloads take a really LONG time but hey, it's free and so
> if you have a PA monitor, it's probably worth the wait...'-}}
>
> There was a lot of chatter (and envy) on the colorsync users lists when the HP
> 30" Dream Monitor was released. A number of list members bought the monitor
> but
> there were a number of issues with it and I think that the its promise wasn't
> fulfilled--particul arly at the price it was selling for--and there hasn't
> been
> much discussion about it recently during this NEC PA monitor discussion.
>
>
> By the way...I'm pc-based but I find the colorsync users list to be very
> informative- -and...they don't hold it against me that I'm pc-based...' -}}
>
> Hope that helps...
>
> Terrie
> http://tlbtlb. com/
> tlbtlb@mail. com
>
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> 2e.
> Re: monitor rec.
> Posted by: "Stephen Best" bitwareoz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx bitwareoz
> Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:38 pm (PST)
>
>
>
>
> --- In EpsonWideFormat@ yahoogroups. com, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:
>>
>> Apparently the PA monitors sell both with and without the SpectraView
>> software
>> and after reading the posting from Chris Murphy on the colorsync users list,
>> the
>> SpectraView software is NOT needed. NEC provides (for FREE!) the
>> MultiProfiler
>> software designed specifically for the PA series of monitors:
>>
>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/MultiProf iler/downloads/
>
> I have the SpectraView Reference version of the PA271W (same monitor but hand
> picked and certified). Whilst the measurements I get with SpectraView Profiler
> are excellent I prefer to run my monitor with MultiProfiler alone as the
> results
> are smoother and perfectly neutral. The differences in colour and gamut are
> negligible. Whether this holds true over the life of the monitor remains to be
> seen.
>
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> 2f.
> Re: monitor rec.
> Posted by: "peegeenyc" peegeenyc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx peegeenyc
> Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:26 pm (PST)
>
>
> Exactly - if I was buying a monitor tomorrow, this would be it.
>
> check if you need a graphics card with dual link DVI capability for this(ie
> one
> that can drive a 30" monitor), I suspect you do.
>
> --- In EpsonWideFormat@ yahoogroups. com, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:
>>
>> >>"peegeenyc" <peegeenyc@> : The WQXi range is highly thought of, and the
>> updated replacements - the PA series, even more so, with 14bit LUT and
>> cutting
>> edge Japanese IPS panels with very wide viewing angles. The PA271W is a good
>> one
>> to go for, if you like larger displays, with 27" a lot of pixels (2560
>> horizontal - same as 30" displays, but just 10% less vertically) and Display
>> Port adapters, etc. I don't think the 30" model is out in the PA range as
>> yet,
>> but the 27" is close and good value at ~$1300 street. They come with software
>> for high level calibration, renamed "Spectraview II" (I think its Color Eyes
>> re-branded).
>>
>>
>>
>> There has been a recent discussion (starting on/about November 10th and has
>> continued into this week--thread subject is "NEC PA271W")on Apple's Colorsync
>> Users List ( http://lists. apple.com/ mailman/listinfo /colorsync- users to
>> subscribe) about the NEC PA monitors and they are VERY highly thought of.
>> Apparently they are calibrated at the factory--special sort of hardware
>> calibration) and are built to maintain that calibration over the life of the
>> monitor. Note though that they are new enough that the new on-going
>> calibration
>> process does not have a proven track record yet so...time will tell.
>>
>> Apparently the PA monitors sell both with and without the SpectraView
>> software
>> and after reading the posting from Chris Murphy on the colorsync users list,
>> the
>> SpectraView software is NOT needed. NEC provides (for FREE!) the
>> MultiProfiler
>> software designed specifically for the PA series of monitors:
>>
>> http://www.necdispl ay.com/MultiProf iler/downloads/
>>
>> Note that this is the SLOWEST PAGE I have ever seen (I'm running on fairly
>> fast
>> broadband) and the downloads take a really LONG time but hey, it's free and
>> so
>> if you have a PA monitor, it's probably worth the wait...'-}}
>>
>> There was a lot of chatter (and envy) on the colorsync users lists when the
>> HP
>> 30" Dream Monitor was released. A number of list members bought the monitor
>> but
>> there were a number of issues with it and I think that the its promise wasn't
>> fulfilled--particul arly at the price it was selling for--and there hasn't
>> been
>> much discussion about it recently during this NEC PA monitor discussion.
>>
>>
>> By the way...I'm pc-based but I find the colorsync users list to be very
>> informative- -and...they don't hold it against me that I'm pc-based...' -}}
>>
>> Hope that helps...
>>
>> Terrie
>> http://tlbtlb. com/
>> tlbtlb@...
>>
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> 2g.
> Re: monitor rec.
> Posted by: "tlbepson" tlbtlb@xxxxxxxx tlbepson
> Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:38 pm (PST)
>
>
>>> "Stephen Best" <bitwareoz@. ..>: I have the SpectraView Reference version
>>> of the
>>> PA271W (same monitor but hand picked and certified). Whilst the
>>> measurements I
>>> get with SpectraView Profiler are excellent I prefer to run my monitor with
>>> MultiProfiler alone as the results are smoother and perfectly neutral. The
>>> differences in colour and gamut are negligible. Whether this holds true
>>> over the
>>> life of the monitor remains to be seen.
>
> So, given your experience, it's worth the extra cost to get the SpectraView
> software?
>
> From memory when I bought my NEC 2090Uxi, the SpectraView software was an
> additional $100 (or thereabouts) so my guess is that if the software price is
> similar and you are already thinking of spending $1300 (I think that's the
> going
> rate for the PA-27), then another $100 is probably not that big a deal...
>
> Terrie
> http://tlbtlb. com/
> tlbtlb@mail. com
>
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> 2h.
> Re: monitor rec.
> Posted by: "Stephen Best" bitwareoz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx bitwareoz
> Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:46 am (PST)
>
>
>
>
> --- In EpsonWideFormat@ yahoogroups. com, "tlbepson" <tlbtlb@...> wrote:
>
>> So, given your experience, it's worth the extra cost to get the SpectraView
>> software?
>
> Without the mated colorimeter? No. It's worthwhile evaluating the results from
> MultiProfiler first. It comes down to whether you trust your own eyes, or need
> external confirmation ... such as it is,
>
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