What helps me is turning my pic so the wings are facing the same direction as the pinned image. It's easier to compare that way. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Lois Stacey To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:31 PM Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Question and ID request Parker, Thanks for the input. I will work on using the pinned images. My problem is that I can't imagine what the pattern will be in a naturally posed moth. My brain can't put it together correctly I guess. (I can't picture a three-dee image from a flat blueprint either! LOL) It may be something I can learn with practice though.