[muglo] Re: 7100 problems
- From: Alex <admeddemda@xxxxxx>
- To: muglo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:05:40 -0500
Well, I guess OS 9 is a matter of opinion here, bc I think a minimal
install of just a basic system is faster than OS8.1, even on a
7100/80.
However, it looks like 9 doesnt want to work on this particular
machine. As I said, it installs fine, but then on restart the system
gets a finder error and asks to be restarted w extensions off, and
then on this restart, it fails to recognize the hard drive. Very very
frustrating, and has been extremely time consuming using the 7100's
2x CDROM.
Anyway, last night I had a thought. This is a 7100AV, with that nubus
apple video card in it.... maybe that is where the conflict is... I
know yrs ago I had a quadra 700 with a radius video card that couldnt
run on OS 8 (9 wasnt around then, but I'd bet similar problems).
So... thing is, I can't pull the card, bc I don;t have the monitor
adapter (and the 7100 had that stupid funky monitor port on it). So I
cant even test my theory.
But, OS8 seemed to run ok. At least it didnt crash after I finally
got it installed . And all my installation problems may have been
particular to items I was asking to be installed.... when I decided
just to install the core system, it worked fine. I will update to
8.1, but my disk is only 8.0
I'd really like to run 9.1 though.
Anyone have a 7100 monitor adapter?
Also, one weird thing, I can't see any VRAM slots on this 7100
board.... is that an AV model thing? (hope not, then I'm stuck with
the card)
I will try the pram reset thing too....
>As per the other e-mail, don't bother with OS 9 on such a slow PPC. Your
>best bet is to run OS 8.1, or, if you REALLY need 8.6 to run software
>install 8.6 (it may actually run a teeny bit faster than 8.1 and with
>greater stability but it comes with a RAM cost (24 MB minimum vs. 8 MB
>minimum used).
>
>BTW Your problems sound like they could be PRAM related. (even though I
>recently went on a tirade about the futility of resetting PRAM on another
>list) I will suggest you reset your PRAM. I think the command is
>command-option-P-R but I can't remember when to do it.
>
>A far more elegant & also free PRAM reset is TechTool Lite 3.0.2 (OS 9.2.2
>support, requires OS 8.1)
><http://www.micromat.com/>
>
>A second thought: you swapped in a "known good HD" but do you know whether
>or not the drivers on both HDs are "good" for a 7100/80? Have you tried
>reformatting the original drive with an OS 8.1 boot disk/CD & installing OS
>8.1 drivers (I didn't get that impression from your first e-mail)? Depending
>on disk size (if it's over 1 GB) you'll want to make sure you format HFS+.
>
>Third thought: were you running OS 8.0 or 8.1? The ONLY OSes you should be
>running are 8.1, 8.6, 9.0.4, 9.1, 9.2.1, 9.2.2. You can run 8.5.1 if you
>have software that you need that breaks under 8.6 but it's not advised. The
>upgrades 8.0->8.1, 8.5->8.5.1/8.6, 9.0.x->9.0.4/9.1/9.2.1/9.2.2,
>9.2.0->9.2.1/9.2.2 are all free downloads from Apple.
>
>8.0, 8.5, 9.0, 9.0.1-9.0.3 are all NO GOs. They are the unstable bastard
>children that families like to commit to asylums (to avoid embarrassment
>when the Joneses come over).
>
>Eric.
>
>on 19/3/02 1:09, Alex at admeddemda@xxxxxx wrote:
>
> > slowing to a crawl, I _may_ be able to see, but erasing hard drives???
> >
> > OS9 is compatible with a 7100 afaik, and I was installing just the
> > bAse ~50 meg system install (as opposed to the 200meg regular
> > install).
> >
> > I am still stumped abt the erased disks and such....
> >
> >> You got it - the 7100 doesn't seem to be powewrful enough to run OS
> >> 9.0. Even if you're able to install it, we found that installing it
> >> on a 7100/80 causes the system to slow to a crawl. Out it came and
> >> everything ran smoothly again.
> >>
> >>> hi all--
> >>>
> >>> just got a 7100/80 M/B and am having trouble. I had HUGE problems
> >>> installing OS 8 (many finder errors, forcing restart). Then finally
> >>> with OS 8 installed, I installed OS 9, and on restart i got an
> >>> extensions error. (actually bus error, and told me to restart with
> >>> extensions off). Then on restart the harddisk was unreadable!
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