Harry, Like you I am an old fashioned (old school) graduated mechanical engineer. IMHO the advent of CAD (I am an AUTO-CAD user )has brought changes to the job of draftman. Nowdays the young draftmen are more "fluent" with computers than with design/engineering. This leads to strange drawings and a poor level of quality. This represents only my opinion and experience as a project manager. Truly yours Pierre MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.