Charles said: >Observation 1 -- If it is not electromagnetic and you disassemble it without a proper "keeper" between the poles, the magnets will lose much of their strength, just like the old two-pole motors for HO/OO trains.< What is the mechanism that keeper provides? On the face of it, why should an increase in reluctance lead to the domains re-arranging? It's one of those things that I know happens, but don't understand why! Peter Chadwick (out of the country again - no wonder I can never get in the workshop!) MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.