[macvoiceover] Re: question for you about braille: was: Re: cereproc voices
- From: anouk radix <anouk.r@xxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:34:25 +0100
Hello, yes, see braille/layout/use dot 7-8 as cursor.
Greetings, Anouk
On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:17 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
> braille cursor?
>
> I don't use quick nav either.
>
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:24 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>
> Hello, i personally prefer braille for long texts which i need to read for
> school because it just goes quicker imho and I keep in memory stuff more
> easily. But for navigating new applications or webpages I tend to use speech
> also because I dont use the quick nav all that much but also because as of
> noted before the fact I dont use the braille cursor.
> I dont program myself so I cant comment on that one.
> Greetings, Anouk
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:15 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
>
>> you can have things not be abreviated and what I miss in speech is the
>> spatial layout. for instance in programming, it is important to know how a
>> source is layed out or in a table, it is important to be able to follow
>> columns. this is done more easily in braille than in speech. I used
>> braille on the windows platform but like it lots better on the mac.
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2009, at 5:09 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>>
>> Hello, Well its difficult to explain really, i just get a more global feel
>> and things that are abbreviated in braille get spoken when i use speech.
>> Also I do not use the braille cursor because it irritates me when I am
>> reading through text to have a whole line of dot 7 and 8 below my text so
>> with speech i better know what is selected at the moment and this also goes
>> for links on webpages if I am navigating a page. Also on the internet
>> braille doesnt always seem to track well. I am subscribed to a forum called
>> head-fi and while I can navigate the page if i use item chooser and web
>> rotor a lot, if i try to read individual messages that are long than I cant
>> read them with my braille display because after reading one paragraph it
>> goes back to the beginning of the post instead of continuing to read it. I
>> can read it if I use item chooser to read the whole page but this is rather
>> time consuming and irritating.
>> Greetings, Anouk
>> On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:57 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi anouk;
>>>
>>> what info do you get with speech that you do not get with braille?
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:20 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone, I have been working on the mac for a few months now and
>>> while I do not use speech all that much (i was a die hard no speech ever
>>> user under windows) i do find htat speech works better then braille if I
>>> need to navigate applications or websites for the first time simply because
>>> you get more information. While I really do like alex especially since he
>>> is really fast AND non-headache inducing (unlike orpheus which i had in
>>> windows) I do prefer someoen with a British accent. So I found cerotec
>>> voices which are relatively cheap. One big problem was htat there is no
>>> demo version available so I bought two of their voices (Sarah and william)
>>> without macbook pro with snow leopard). Thile I do really enjoy william if
>>> I need to read longer English text he is a lot slower then Alex. Also it
>>> seems to be really buggy software, or at least it does not work well with
>>> voicover at all. Voicover crashes an awful lot when using william while it
>>> does not do this nearly at all when I use alex or just braille. Also
>>> sometimes I hear weird noises when I use william and sometimes he spwes out
>>> string of text and numbers which are just not on the screen.
>>> All in all I am rather disappointed with my purchase and it does seem as if
>>> it was not tested at all.
>>> I do not mind that the voices are a bit lower quality then some other
>>> voices available because I truely find them natural and interesting
>>> sounding but I do mind the lack of quality control and the fact that you
>>> cant try before you buy.
>>> So I just wanted to warn other blind mac users because while the ovices are
>>> not insanely pricey if you pay for something then you expect it to be
>>> usable, as it stands now I just cant use william on my system.
>>> Greetings, Anouk>
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