[macvoiceover] Re: question for you about braille: was: Re: cereproc voices
- From: anouk radix <anouk.r@xxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:24:43 +0100
Hello, i personally prefer braille for long texts which i need to read for
school because it just goes quicker imho and I keep in memory stuff more
easily. But for navigating new applications or webpages I tend to use speech
also because I dont use the quick nav all that much but also because as of
noted before the fact I dont use the braille cursor.
I dont program myself so I cant comment on that one.
Greetings, Anouk
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:15 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
> you can have things not be abreviated and what I miss in speech is the
> spatial layout. for instance in programming, it is important to know how a
> source is layed out or in a table, it is important to be able to follow
> columns. this is done more easily in braille than in speech. I used braille
> on the windows platform but like it lots better on the mac.
>
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 5:09 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>
> Hello, Well its difficult to explain really, i just get a more global feel
> and things that are abbreviated in braille get spoken when i use speech. Also
> I do not use the braille cursor because it irritates me when I am reading
> through text to have a whole line of dot 7 and 8 below my text so with speech
> i better know what is selected at the moment and this also goes for links on
> webpages if I am navigating a page. Also on the internet braille doesnt
> always seem to track well. I am subscribed to a forum called head-fi and
> while I can navigate the page if i use item chooser and web rotor a lot, if i
> try to read individual messages that are long than I cant read them with my
> braille display because after reading one paragraph it goes back to the
> beginning of the post instead of continuing to read it. I can read it if I
> use item chooser to read the whole page but this is rather time consuming and
> irritating.
> Greetings, Anouk
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:57 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
>
>> Hi anouk;
>>
>> what info do you get with speech that you do not get with braille?
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:20 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone, I have been working on the mac for a few months now and
>> while I do not use speech all that much (i was a die hard no speech ever
>> user under windows) i do find htat speech works better then braille if I
>> need to navigate applications or websites for the first time simply because
>> you get more information. While I really do like alex especially since he is
>> really fast AND non-headache inducing (unlike orpheus which i had in
>> windows) I do prefer someoen with a British accent. So I found cerotec
>> voices which are relatively cheap. One big problem was htat there is no demo
>> version available so I bought two of their voices (Sarah and william)
>> without macbook pro with snow leopard). Thile I do really enjoy william if I
>> need to read longer English text he is a lot slower then Alex. Also it seems
>> to be really buggy software, or at least it does not work well with voicover
>> at all. Voicover crashes an awful lot when using william while it does not
>> do this nearly at all when I use alex or just braille. Also sometimes I hear
>> weird noises when I use william and sometimes he spwes out string of text
>> and numbers which are just not on the screen.
>> All in all I am rather disappointed with my purchase and it does seem as if
>> it was not tested at all.
>> I do not mind that the voices are a bit lower quality then some other voices
>> available because I truely find them natural and interesting sounding but I
>> do mind the lack of quality control and the fact that you cant try before
>> you buy.
>> So I just wanted to warn other blind mac users because while the ovices are
>> not insanely pricey if you pay for something then you expect it to be
>> usable, as it stands now I just cant use william on my system.
>> Greetings, Anouk>
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