[macvoiceover] Re: question for you about braille: was: Re: cereproc voices
- From: David Poehlman <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:15:56 -0500
you can have things not be abreviated and what I miss in speech is the spatial
layout. for instance in programming, it is important to know how a source is
layed out or in a table, it is important to be able to follow columns. this is
done more easily in braille than in speech. I used braille on the windows
platform but like it lots better on the mac.
On Nov 13, 2009, at 5:09 AM, anouk radix wrote:
Hello, Well its difficult to explain really, i just get a more global feel and
things that are abbreviated in braille get spoken when i use speech. Also I do
not use the braille cursor because it irritates me when I am reading through
text to have a whole line of dot 7 and 8 below my text so with speech i better
know what is selected at the moment and this also goes for links on webpages if
I am navigating a page. Also on the internet braille doesnt always seem to
track well. I am subscribed to a forum called head-fi and while I can navigate
the page if i use item chooser and web rotor a lot, if i try to read individual
messages that are long than I cant read them with my braille display because
after reading one paragraph it goes back to the beginning of the post instead
of continuing to read it. I can read it if I use item chooser to read the whole
page but this is rather time consuming and irritating.
Greetings, Anouk
On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:57 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
> Hi anouk;
>
> what info do you get with speech that you do not get with braille?
>
> On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:20 AM, anouk radix wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, I have been working on the mac for a few months now and while
> I do not use speech all that much (i was a die hard no speech ever user under
> windows) i do find htat speech works better then braille if I need to
> navigate applications or websites for the first time simply because you get
> more information. While I really do like alex especially since he is really
> fast AND non-headache inducing (unlike orpheus which i had in windows) I do
> prefer someoen with a British accent. So I found cerotec voices which are
> relatively cheap. One big problem was htat there is no demo version available
> so I bought two of their voices (Sarah and william) without macbook pro with
> snow leopard). Thile I do really enjoy william if I need to read longer
> English text he is a lot slower then Alex. Also it seems to be really buggy
> software, or at least it does not work well with voicover at all. Voicover
> crashes an awful lot when using william while it does not do this nearly at
> all when I use alex or just braille. Also sometimes I hear weird noises when
> I use william and sometimes he spwes out string of text and numbers which are
> just not on the screen.
> All in all I am rather disappointed with my purchase and it does seem as if
> it was not tested at all.
> I do not mind that the voices are a bit lower quality then some other voices
> available because I truely find them natural and interesting sounding but I
> do mind the lack of quality control and the fact that you cant try before you
> buy.
> So I just wanted to warn other blind mac users because while the ovices are
> not insanely pricey if you pay for something then you expect it to be usable,
> as it stands now I just cant use william on my system.
> Greetings, Anouk>
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