[macvoiceover] Re: VMware again another issue.
- From: Keith Reedy <keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:25:34 -0400
Let me be a little more clear. This list is for the learning of mac with
Voiceover.
Thanks.
Keith Reedy
keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Keith Reedy wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Windows stuff should be taken off list. This is a mac list and only those
> things which are related to the mac.
>
> Thanks.
> Keith Reedy
> keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>
>> HI,
>> I think a how to guide needs to be developed for VMWare Fusion. If I get
>> time on my holidays. I will put a rough draft together and post it here.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21/09/2011, at 6:01 AM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>
>>> OK, can someone direct me to a list of VM Wear keystrokes that I can use. I
>>> remember Command G to grab focus but that seems to no longer work. I have a
>>> Bootcamp partition that I'm trying to use but I don't know how to access it
>>> and hear JAWS. Also how do I find out about key mapping for Windows?
>>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Dean Wilcox wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven't switched Option and Command like some people suggested as I
>>>> wasn't sure what the Command Tab (Alt Tab in Windows) would then do. I am
>>>> used to it and find I am able to go to another Windows machine and just
>>>> use the keyboard normally and forget all about my changes or the
>>>> differences when in Fussion which is handy. I use Sharp Keys to map a few
>>>> keystrokes on my number pad for screen reader modifier keys, right mouse
>>>> click etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Sep 2011, at 11:00, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have used the pass through and it doesn't resolve the problem. I
>>>>> have found a solution Via VMWare keyboard profile. I have made VMWare
>>>>> switch the option key with the command key. So VO doesn't over-ride the
>>>>> keys being used in the guess os.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am using the keys for isn't really relevant. the real issue here
>>>>> is how Voice-Over is very aggressive in its way of handling keystrokes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The point I am complaining about and have lodge a bug against Voice_over.
>>>>> Is when you are in a Guess OS regardless of the OS inside the VMWare
>>>>> software. Once keyboard has been passed to the guess OS. Voice-over
>>>>> should not intercept the keystrokes. When you want to use Voice-over
>>>>> again, then you use the application short cut key to return control. This
>>>>> is all based upon when you are using the VMWare single window or in the
>>>>> full screen mode or in the Unity mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> To re-enforce what I said previously. If you are using the VMWare app and
>>>>> need to make a change. Then use alt (option) + control to return control
>>>>> back to the Apple OS. Then VO has its control back and you can do what
>>>>> you need. But while you are in the guess OS. The Host OS should not
>>>>> intercept the keys used within the guess OS. This removes all the messing
>>>>> around you have to do with keyboard remapping. Be aware, that VMWare does
>>>>> have a tab to turn off global MAC keystrokes such as cmd tab.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>> On 15/09/2011, at 12:11 AM, Cheryl Ann Homiak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tried the passthrough? If you want to do a key combination that
>>>>>> belongs to voiceover but for something else instead, you do
>>>>>> ctrl-option-tab before that keypress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, you didn't say what you need ctrl-option for in vmware. I know at
>>>>>> least in windows xp that you can change shortcut keys that are being
>>>>>> used so if you are needing ctrl-option for your screenreader, that can
>>>>>> be changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should also keep in mind that there are times when you do want
>>>>>> voiceover in the vmware window to navigate in some dialogs of vmware
>>>>>> itself rather than the particular operating system you are running so
>>>>>> this has nothing to do with voiceover being "aggressive". It is in
>>>>>> vmware or in your guest operating system that you need to make a change
>>>>>> in key assignments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will warn, however, that at least in my linux vmware installation I
>>>>>> sometimes have a problem with my right arrow key (not in conjunction
>>>>>> with voiceover but by itself) not working and I sometimes have to turn
>>>>>> voiceover on and off to solve this. I suspect there's a solution for
>>>>>> this but haven't bothered to work on it so far but just thought I'd warn
>>>>>> you in case that happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheryl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May the words of my mouth
>>>>>> and the meditation of my heart
>>>>>> be acceptable to You,
>>>>>> Lord, my rock and my Redeemer.
>>>>>> (Psalm 19:14, HCSB)
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