[macvoiceover] Re: Ready to take the plunge, but...

Hi Rich,
Without a doubt, the VoiceOver method of web browsing is different than Windows. Again, as has been said by myself and by many others, one has to put aside their Windows experience and approach every aspect of the Mac from a VoiceOver perspective. In reality, the VoiceOver way makes more sense for a variety of reasons, and as you web browse often and utilize the item chooser menu and other navigation commands, it becomes easier and easier. BTW, you do not have to stop interacting with the area to move to a link. If you have your Safari preferences set correctly, the tab key can be used in the same was as it is in Windows to jump from link to link.

Take Care

John Panarese



On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Richard Ring wrote:

I would never argue with what has been said in this message.  However,
for me, I find the Mac web browsing experience quite cumbersome.  This
may well be based on ignorance and lack of experience, so I would
appreciate not being flamed.  However, it seems to me that I must
ingeract with html content in order to read information that is
presented on a page in that format, then I must stop interacting with
that portion of a page that contains such data in order to, for
instance, go to a specific link.  I would whole heartedly agree that
what screen readers do in order to attempt to render web pages more
useable is deceptive, but how does what one must do on the Mac provide
me with more and better and more useful information?  I ask because I
simply don't know. If this is not the list where such questions can be
addressed, please me advise.

-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:51 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Ready to take the plunge, but...

Oh, David! I do have to laugh when I read your message.  I know you
know your stuff, and I assume you're corect, but I *SURE do have a
hard time picturing evercoming to that conclusion! *big grin*
On Aug 3, 2009, at 2:09 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

I don't know how to say this but I'm going to try and say something
which some may find useful.

As long as you think you have a better solution than vo, you will
never learn the power of it.  I went through this thing where gee, I
can use jaws so much faster than vo and then one day, found myself
breezing through web sites and using things like the item chooser,
the links list, the find commands on the mac and one day, I picked
up my pc after a long time of not using it and just could not use
jaws as efficiently any more.  what with all those keystrokes,
jumping in and out of forms mode and so on, I found the mac finally
to be much more efficient.  I then did some analysis for hard
factual data and realized that what I was experiencing was born
out.  fewer keystrokes are necessary.  less guess work is
necessary.  navigation is easier, getting to what is needed or
desired is easier.

This is not a me thing.  this is not a preference thing or an us vs
them thing, I am glad jaws was around when I needed it and didn't
have anything else.  You do though have to apply yourself to the mac
as though you have nothing else to use to realize the full power of
it.

On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Ricardo wrote:

Hi Russ,

I've had a mac for 14 months and I too find using the keystrokes to
be second nature.  I must say though I use my windows Pc for my
intensive web browsing sessions.  I just don't like the internet on
the mac using voiceover in comparison to windows with jaws.  Don't
get me wrong, The browser with voiceover is useable on the mac, but
I just feel like I can navigate quicker on my windows machine.

Ricardo

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From: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:14 PM
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [macvoiceover] Ready to take the plunge, but...

Hi all,

Okay, I'm ready to take the plunge and buy an iMac 20", but have
just one final question for everyone before I do...

I'm sure, like me, most of you have come from using Windows with
either Jaws or WindowEyes.  For those of you who have been using
the Mac for a while now, would you say that you're as productive on
the Mac as you once were on Windows?  I mean, for me, using Jaws is
second nature to me... I don't even need to think about what
keystrokes to use, I just interact with whatever program I need to
to complete a given task.  Now, I  know I've also been using Jaws
for some 15 years now, so don't expect to get to this level of
proficiency overnight, but what do you long time Mac users think?
Has using the VO keystrokes become second nature to you?  Once one
uses the Mac for a while, does navigating in Safari become as easy
as navigating IE with Jaws or WE?

Thanks for any and all opinions!

Russell

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