[macvoiceover] Re: Ready to take the plunge, but...

Hi Rich, in addition to interacting with text, or links, there is the
link chooser, with vo u, and the item chooser with vo i, and in some
cases, the find command with vo f, though this doesn't always work on
all pages, but I can type in text in the item chooser menu, and it will
actually find that instance of text, so it is just a diferent way of
doing things than most screen readers.  
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:12:25 -0400, David Poehlman wrote:


On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Richard Ring wrote:

I would never argue with what has been said in this message.  However,
for me, I find the Mac web browsing experience quite cumbersome.  This
may well be based on ignorance and lack of experience, so I would
appreciate not being flamed.  However, it seems to me that I must
ingeract with html content in order to read information that is
presented on a page in that format, then I must stop interacting with
that portion of a page that contains such data in order to, for
instance, go to a specific link.  I would whole heartedly agree that
what screen readers do in order to attempt to render web pages more
useable is deceptive, but how does what one must do on the Mac provide
me with more and better and more useful information?  I ask because I
Rich, you do not have to stop interacting with text to go to a link,  
just tab.
simply don't know.  If this is not the list where such questions can be
addressed, please me advise.

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[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:51 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Ready to take the plunge, but...

Oh, David! I do have to laugh when I read your message.  I know you
know your stuff, and I assume you're corect, but I *SURE do have a
hard time picturing evercoming to that conclusion! *big grin*
On Aug 3, 2009, at 2:09 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

> I don't know how to say this but I'm going to try and say something
> which some may find useful.
>
> As long as you think you have a better solution than vo, you will
> never learn the power of it.  I went through this thing where gee, I
> can use jaws so much faster than vo and then one day, found myself
> breezing through web sites and using things like the item chooser,
> the links list, the find commands on the mac and one day, I picked
> up my pc after a long time of not using it and just could not use
> jaws as efficiently any more.  what with all those keystrokes,
> jumping in and out of forms mode and so on, I found the mac finally
> to be much more efficient.  I then did some analysis for hard
> factual data and realized that what I was experiencing was born
> out.  fewer keystrokes are necessary.  less guess work is
> necessary.  navigation is easier, getting to what is needed or
> desired is easier.
>
> This is not a me thing.  this is not a preference thing or an us vs
> them thing, I am glad jaws was around when I needed it and didn't
> have anything else.  You do though have to apply yourself to the mac
> as though you have nothing else to use to realize the full power of
> it.
>
> On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Ricardo wrote:
>
> Hi Russ,
>
> I've had a mac for 14 months and I too find using the keystrokes to
> be second nature.  I must say though I use my windows Pc for my
> intensive web browsing sessions.  I just don't like the internet on
> the mac using voiceover in comparison to windows with jaws.  Don't
> get me wrong, The browser with voiceover is useable on the mac, but
> I just feel like I can navigate quicker on my windows machine.
>
> Ricardo
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Russell Solowoniuk" <rsolowoniuk@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:14 PM
> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Ready to take the plunge, but...
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Okay, I'm ready to take the plunge and buy an iMac 20", but have
>> just one final question for everyone before I do...
>>
>> I'm sure, like me, most of you have come from using Windows with
>> either Jaws or WindowEyes.  For those of you who have been using
>> the Mac for a while now, would you say that you're as productive on
>> the Mac as you once were on Windows?  I mean, for me, using Jaws is
>> second nature to me... I don't even need to think about what
>> keystrokes to use, I just interact with whatever program I need to
>> to complete a given task.  Now, I  know I've also been using Jaws
>> for some 15 years now, so don't expect to get to this level of
>> proficiency overnight, but what do you long time Mac users think?
>> Has using the VO keystrokes become second nature to you?  Once one
>> uses the Mac for a while, does navigating in Safari become as easy
>> as navigating IE with Jaws or WE?
>>
>> Thanks for any and all opinions!
>>
>> Russell
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