further to this CDH, In mail, by default, all your account boxes are stacked inside your inbox such that the inbox can be expanded to reveal them or you can read all your messages regardless of the account from the inbox. could it be that you are not seeing messages because you hare looking in the rong view? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Mac Newbie Questions: 1 Mail/was:RE: Re: Introduction this is why I don't use threading. you can remove your accounts from mail prefs and that should give you an almost clean slate. you can also remove the mail prefs payne from the preferences paynes folder in the library folder of your home folder. Be warned, if you remove accounts, the messages go too. On Dec 10, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, Thanks for the help. I'm still stuck on a few Mail issues especially: JS: There's a couple things you can do here. One is to have mail thread your messages, I find this an unbelievable help. From the view menu, check the organize by thread option. When on a thread, you can press right arrow to expand it and left arrow to collapse it. This makes the table much smaller if you have a lot of threads. The way to move through a table quickly, I find, is to hold the VO up or VO down combination. It scrolls very quickly, it's not like holding keys down cdh: I have the messages organized by thread and the title bar seems to indicate that I have one new message in my Inbox. When I go to the Messages table, though, it seems to be blank. I looked in Trash and the thread wasn't there either. Did I somehow cloak a partially read thread? If so, how did I do so? cdh: Is there a restore to default UI in Mail anywhere that won't kill my account information but would put everything back where it was so I can start breaking it all over again? cdh Happy Hacking, cdh Chris Hofstader email: cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Blog: http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com Skype: BlindChristian -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:53 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Mac Newbie Questions: 1 Mail/was:RE: Re: Introduction Hi My responses are under your questions. On Dec 10, 2008, at 08:28, Chris Hofstader wrote: > Mail: > > 1. How does one turn off the thing Outlook on Windows calls the > "preview > pane," as when I review new messages in the message table, they get > marked > as read and moved to the Trash folder. I like to move around in the > table > to decide what I care to read in what order (if Fruchterman or > Vanderheiden > writes, I read immediately; if a friend is looking for lunch, I may > wait). > So, how do I keep these messages from being marked as read just > because they > appeared in the preview panel for a couple of seconds, how do I turn > the > preview panel off altogether and how can I keep read messages in my > Inbox so > I can return to them later? > Make sure you are in the inbox window. Navigate with the voiceover cursor down to where the Preview pain is, it will say "message content scroll area," or possibly "html content." Now, navigate to the left until you here "horizontal splitter." Press ctrl+option+command+f5 to route your mouse to this splitter, then do a double-click (ctrl+option +shift+space twice). This will turn off the preview pain. This is one of those areas on the Macintosh that is different in coming from Windows. Doubleclicking on the splitter between one area and another usually hides the area under the splitter, this is standard Mac behavior but pretty much nonexistent on Windows. > 2. How does one navigate up and down through the Message table > quickly? I > often have hundreds of messages but PAGE-UP and PAGE-DOWN, HOME and > END do > not seem to have any effect in tables in general and the Messages > table > specifically. There's a couple things you can do here. One is to have mail thread your messages, I find this an unbelievable help. From the view menu, check the organize by thread option. When on a thread, you can press right arrow to expand it and left arrow to collapse it. This makes the table much smaller if you have a lot of threads. The way to move through a table quickly, I find, is to hold the VO up or VO down combination. It scrolls very quickly, it's not like holding keys down on Windows where you get a lot of repeated speech you can't control. You're correct about page up/page down not working the way they do in Windows, these keys are looked at differently from a Mac perspective, and don't behave at all like they do on other systems. I'm not sure about importing Outlook contacts, and I don't use voice recognition at all. 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