that's because Safari preferences starts in the middle for some reason. :-) Headings and voiceover rotor is where you'll find it. -- Jonnie Appleseed With His Hands-On Technolog(eye)s touching the internet Reducing Technology's disabilities One Byte At a time On Nov 3, 2013, at 19:34, Stephens Leslie <leslie956@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Thanks. I have most of the side bars and other paraphernalia I don't use already hidden but I was able to find the topsites controls. I must have breezed past the main one at first without noticing it and had to get oriented since the pop up menus precede the description of the item. There don't seem to be any heading controls for the rotor unless it is some advanced option. So far, start page is the only site I know for sure acts differently in this release using the web rotor.. Thanks again, Leslie On Nov 3, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Leslie, to solve the top sites and sidebar issues here’s the tricks. 1: open Safari preferences, this is in the “Safari” menu. the first page has everything you need here. You can set the home page you want to use by either entering the address manually or going to the website in a safari window and then use the “use current page” button in the first page “General” of Safari Preferences. to get rid of top sites, you’ll find a few combo boxes that say “Top Sites, change these to homepage. problem solved. now to deal with the sidebar. go to the view menu and disable the sidebar by selecting Hide Sidebar. another setting worth using is hide bookmarks bar as this can be a little tiring sometimes. hope this helps. as for rotor settings, not 100% sure. lew ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx