Geary quotes the dialogue: "Me: "In other words, do you believe in autonomous human beings?" Walter: "As a character disposition, yes." and tries to apologise for it: "I'm not sure what that means. I'm not trained in philosophy." Who's trained in philosophy. Having now read the books by R. S. Peters, I've come to realise that 'training' is a bad Americanistic idiom, sometimes used in England too. The first 'training colleges' were horsemanship clubs -- and who got trained where 'horses', never people. Then there's military training camps, which train soldiers, etc. But PHILOSOPHIA as Plato conceived it in the Academus grove (if not Aristotle, the money-collector, in the Lykaeon) was _never_ conceived as having ANYTHING to do with 'training'. Singers are trained. Dancers are trained. Philosophers (or wizards of love, as I prefer) cannot and will not be trained -- less so by _other_ OLDER wizards of love. If Geary doesn't know what Walter means by his escapade, "a human being is a character disposition", that's not because Geary lacks training -- which nobody gets anyway. it's because Walter is not brave enough that he does NOT believe in human beings, which is sad assuming he is one, or even not. Cheers, J. L. Speranza, Esq. Town: Calle Arenales 2021, Piso 5, St. 8, La Recoleta C1124AAE, Buenos Aires, Argentina. Tel. 54 11 4824 4253 Fax 54 221 425 9205 Country: St. Michael Hall, Calle 58, No. 611, La Plata B1900 BPY Provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Tel. 54 221 425 7817 Fax 54 221 425 9205 http://www.stmichaels.com.ar jls@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx jlsperanza@xxxxxxx http://www.netverk/~jls.htm ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com