-----Original Message----- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx Sent: Aug 31, 2004 10:35 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] The Natural and the Artifactual In a message dated 8/30/2004 6:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Is there an essential something to naturalness (ah, I hear JL grumbling awake at the sound: "essential") to distinguish those things brought about through "natural" bodily processes -- such as honey production -- and those things produced external to bodies but through the natural bodily processes of intellect, such as plastics? ---- Good question. One of Grice's claims to fame was, indeed, the drawing of the boundary between the 'natural' and, er, what, for lack of a better epithet, he called the 'non-natural'. There must be a lot online about this. (He set the distinction in an essay written in 1948, 'Meaning'. Of course, he was concerned with natural and non-natural meaning, but the distinction (he attempted to draw) is more general. In his later 'Meaning Revisited', he concluded that there is _no_ distinction between 'natural' and 'non-natural' (essential, anyways -- sic). In an attempt at bad humour, an online list that mentions the causes of deaths of some famous philosophers, Grice is mentioned as having died of "non-natural causes". It is good to distinguish between the 'artifact' and the 'natural'. Intellect would be, like a burp, a natural process. But making a plastic (an artifact) would be artifactual (or 'artificial', as M. Chase prefers). A.A. We can make the further distinction between artificial and synthetic. Synthetic is using chemical reactions to create a substance that is identical to the original substance, e.g. laboratory synthesized vitamin C is identical to nature-made vitamin C. That was, I think, the point of synfuel from Carter's days. Or Mary Shelly's Frankenstein. Artificial is creating an entirely new substance that mimics certain properties, such as artificial sweetener. Artificial sweetener has sugar's sweetness, but occurs nowhere in nature. Enough horsing around. To work. Andy Amago Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html