Eric, Yes, man has an ignoble side and there are usually ignoble reasons back of any war at least on the side of one of the participants - sometime son both sides -- but the common soldiers are often extremely noble. Very often they exhibit the highest examples of self-sacrifice even to the laying down of their lives for their buddies. When I read about a war I usually end up disgusted with the politicians who invariably screw things up, and then I am disgusted with Generals who fight the last war rather than the one they ought to be fighting, but when the war is on and in the hands of the lieutenants and sergeants, it is a different matter. I've read several books about WWI and marvel that generals could send wave after wave of men with bayonets against machine guns and not realize that the invention of the Machine gun demanded new tactics. After World War One the Germans learned the lesson the best and developed new tactics. And WWI is a war that didn't need to be fought. There's a very interesting book entitled Dreadnaught by Robert K. Massie. His emphasis was on the naval rivalry between Britain and Germany, and were it not for certain personalities, a certain stubbornness on the part of a few people, the war might have been avoided. However, after saying that I am reminded of all the intertwining treaties and agreements and think how could the war have been avoided? There are historians who believe that had not one of his own sentries mistaken Stonewall Jackson for the enemy, the South might well have won that war. They argue that Jackson was the best general in either army by several levels of magnitude. That opinion isn't shared by Liddell Hart who thinks Sherman, the inventor of shock and awe, was the best general. One of the main lessons from WWII we should have learned is that having a weak military doesn't prove our good intentions and it doesn't keep us out of war. It makes war more likely. Had we a decently sized military force, the Japanese would not have attacked us. They knew our potential, but they also knew we weren't living up to it and attacked us hoping that would weaken us and keep us out of the Pacific theater in the near term. In the long term they had confidence that the Germans would eventually defeat the allies and America would eventually sue for peace on good terms for the Japanese. It wasn't a stupid gamble. Had the Germans won they would have been right and had Hitler been a little wiser in the ways of the military, that could have happened, but he screwed thing up, the Germans lost, America began living up to its military potential and the Japanese were defeated. So the lesson was there for us to learn that we ought not to let our military grow weak. We should keep it strong to prevent adversaries from thinking they could take advantage of us. But we didn't learn that lesson as plain as it was and North Korea decided it could whip the South Koreans and whip us - drive us off the peninsula and achieve a fait accompli before we could find our rifles and bayonets. And they came close to doing that. We have never given up our tendency to take the "peace dividend." However, when our misguided idealistic scientists gave the Communists the secrets to building atomic weapons, all that changed. There was no peace dividend in the offing during the Cold War. We remained on a war footing, prepared to fight the Soviet Union, prepared to engage the Communists whenever they tried to take over another country, for almost 50 years. But when the USSR collapsed in 1989 surely it was time for another peace dividend; so we cut back on our military and emasculated out intelligence service; because that is our way. Imagine our surprise when a new enemy cropped up in the Middle East that our intelligence service didn't know much about and we weren't equipped to fight. I won't rehash that in this note, but what lesson should there be in this for the future? What should we emphasize after the Islamists are no longer a serious problem, say in 2060 or 2075? Well, for starters we should become more enmeshed in the rest of the world. We should take the sort of interest in it we never had. Students should be learning all the languages of the world. Diplomatic corps should be filled with the best people, and there should be no part of the world that we aren't intimately familiar with. Intelligence should no longer be a "mission impossible," it should grow out of our intimate relations with the nations of the world through our diplomats, through our students, through our business people, and our analysts. Thus, if Fukuyama's or Barnett's scenario is showing signs of success, that is, if the "non-integrating gap" is well on its way to becoming integrated into the functioning core, then our diplomats, students, etc can enjoy themselves as citizens of the world. If on the other hand Huntington's scenario is proving itself, and some nation or group of nations is preparing for war against us, then we will be as well positioned in the world to know whatever it is we need to know to prepare for this coming war. It is good to hope for a Fukuyama/Barnett future, but it is wise to prepare for Huntington one. There is nothing in our human makeup or history to suggest we shall ever be without wars. The End of History would mean an end to wary, but it is in the nature of our species, not necessarily in ever individual but in our species to be warlike. I've known a few truly peaceful people, people whose natures are utterly unwarlike, but I've also noted that many of those most vehement in opposition to war, are some of the most verbally violent, abusive, insulting and rude people I've ever encountered. War is in their nature as well. They are not the peaceful people they pretend to do. As the motives of these warlike pacifists in opposing war, I don't know but I can't help suspecting fear and cowardice. Perhaps growing up they discovered they didn't have the courage to perform in that aspect of the human condition; so they used their natural violence in other ways and among them by attempting to keep their precious bodies from harm by attacking (verbally of course) the thing they fear. They don't count. Wars will continue to be fought. They will either escape wars or be drafted into them where with any luck those in charge will realize they would be worthless in battle and send them to the rear. They won't be taken into the Marine Corps which realizes people like that would detrimentally affect the morale of the troops. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:48 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] The Effects of Reading Military History >>This is America. It's still America. Maybe Lawrence and David and other history readers can comment on this. Seems to me that reading even a little military history reveals how stupid and venal, incompetent and nasty, humans are. I mean, as opposed to Barbara Tuchman historical overviews, military history shows just how close to barbarity our world is, how little anything has changed. Calling it "the fog of war" is (except in a very specialized sense) a misnomer, perhaps a form of denial. Like imagining we're living in a Star Trek world. Brutish from Sumer to now with no let up. It's like we've always been in this fog and the drunken Roman soldier kills Archimedes over and over again, killed Archimedes yesterday, today, and will kill Archimedes tomorrow.