on 4/2/04 10:20 AM, on the subject of thistles Judith Evans responded to John Wager: >> actually I was just appealing to David's Scottish side. > > We Brits knew that! Ah, but which thistle? > From the Collins Encyclopaedia of Scotland: The thistle has been an important symbol in Scottish heraldry for over 500 years, but botanists are confused as to which of the several native and introduced thistles this heraldic thistle represents. The spear thistle, musk thistle, melancholy thistle, stemless thistle, Our Lady's thistle and cotton thistle are all contenders. The first use of the thistle as a royal symbol in Scotland appears to have been on silver coins issued by James III in 1470, and the Order of the Thistle was founded by James VII in 1687. There is no historical evidence for the popular legend of an invading Viking treading on a thistle and crying out, thus giving the Scots warning of an attack, but the motto nemo me impune lacessit (loosely translated as 'No one attacks me and gets away with it') is usually associated with the Scottish thistle badge. So when your nephew does himself a nasty, a bunch of spear thistles, mixed with musk ones, and perhaps one of two melancholy blooms, would be the bouquet to send, possibly with a sword fern or two for dramatic effect, additional greenery and height. Angel investors interested in my startup manly flower internet delivery business should write to Big Jimmy's Spear Thistlery and Swordfern Farm, Slightly Bruised-Looking Acres (purple and green), Oregon, or e-mail me at Ah'venutherbluddysplinterinmafinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx David Ritchie Portland, Oregon ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html