In a message dated 9/3/2004 4:08:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, pas@xxxxxxxx writes: There is no sense anymore. [parse away] A "couple" has lost its numerical value. People use "literally" to mean figuratively -- "Oh man, it was so funny, I literally shit my pants". It's all mixed up. ---- Well, the case is tricky. "I literally shit my pants." -- or as Geary prefers, "I _literarily_ shit my pants." The case is parallel to Julie Krueger's problems with 'thankfully'. With Stone's sentence, the 'literally' can apply pre-fixistically: "Literally, I shit my pants." (+> ("so funny it was")). One problem with 'literally' is that it comes from Latin _littera_, 'letter', and, for the life of Geary, I cannot see what shitting one's pant (for the fun of it or other) may have to do with the letter. Stone suggests that the correct is: "Figuratively, I shit my pants." -- which _does_ make more sense, in the consideration that it's a _figure_ we are talking here ("a sad figure", perhaps). The gist of this, though: I'm not so sure as Stone seems to be that people use 'literally' to mean 'figuratively'. In any case, it's a case here of what they actually _say_ rather than _mean_. An extra problem was identified by Grice. ('Further notes in logic and conversation'). With certain adverbs, notably 'ironically' and 'metaphorically' (cf. 'figuratively'), the effect is self-defeating: "You're such a fine friend." can be uttered _ironically_ to mean "You're a scoundrel." However, the explicitation of the 'ellipsistical' is self-defeating -- or odd at best: "Ironically, you're such a fine friend". Ditto for 'metaphorically'. "The moon is made of cheese." is apt and literary; "Metaphorically, the moon is made of cheese" is clumsy. Part of the charm of metaphor and figurative speech is that you don't _disclose_ what figure you are employing. Those who use "literally" are actually trying to balance this, in an attempt to restore _literalness_ to the _same_ level of 'figurative' speech (and this is in accordance with the ancient rhetoricians, for who the 'literal' was just one more figure of speech among others. Cheeres, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html