Looks like a tie. Europae Speculum was also published in 1605. I have=20 no idea why the OED gives the date of the quotation as 1599, but the=20 editors/readers were probably working from a 1632 reprint. There is a=20 recent biography which can be read by anybody who so chooses. Here's a=20= few facts, if there is such a thing as a fact: Sandys, Sir Edwin, 1561=961629, English statesman, leading promoter of=20= the colony in Virginia; son of Archbishop Edwin Sandys. He studied law=20= and was first returned to Parliament in 1586. His Europae Speculum=20 (1605), published after an extended tour abroad beginning in 1593,=20 revealed a remarkably tolerant attitude toward Roman Catholics for an=20 Englishman of that period. Sandys was knighted (1603), reentered=20 Parliament (1604), and became a leading figure in the parliamentary=20 opposition to King James I. He was a member of several chartered=20 companies, including the London Company, of which he became treasurer=20 in 1619. As leader of the liberal faction within the company, Sandys=20 was responsible for many of the progressive features that characterized=20= the last years of the company's control over Virginia, including the=20 introduction of representative government in the first house of=20 burgesses (1619). The king prevented his reelection as treasurer in=20 1620, but despite opposition from this and other formidable quarters he=20= continued to wield great influence until the king annulled the=20 company's charter in 1624. (=46rom the Columbia electronic = encyclopedia.) Harold Hungerford On Oct 14, 2004, at 1:10 AM, Robert Paul wrote: I wrote: But iff 'Sandy' uttered or printed the expression in 1599, he's ahead of Cervantes and wins the=20 best policy prize: Volume I of DQ was published in 1605. -------------------------------------- Philosophers and logicians will see the force of this. Robert Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html