[lit-ideas] Re: France, a Rogue State in 1801-05

  • From: "Simon Ward" <sedward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:40:39 +0100

Britain wasn't the Hegemon until after 1805, once Nelson had defeated the 
French and Spanish Navies at Trafalgar. Before then, though dominating naval 
trade, she was unable to project her power onto the Continent. 

Note that Trafalgar enabled Britian to send an army onto the Iberian Peninsular 
in 1808, the same army that crossed the Pyranees in 1814, even as Britain was 
fighting the War of 1812 across the Atlantic. 

After 1805, based on its naval supremacy, Britain might be said to have been 
the Hegemon. Before 1805, she was merely competing for the position, albeit 
with a distinct financial advantage.

It sounds to me as though Kagan is erroneously projecting a world view back in 
time supported by a deficient knowledge of European history.

Simon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lawrence Helm 
  To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:21 PM
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: France, a Rogue State in 1801-05


  Yes it is pretty funny that you don't see what is going on.  Read my note 
more carefully and you will see that the US is the hegemon guaranteeing the 
present world order.  Just as Britain was the hegemon guaranteeing the world 
order in Napoleon's day.  Your skewed view is apparently made up out of whole 
cloth not relating to anything -- except a skewed view.  





  Lawrence



  -----Original Message-----
  From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Andreas Ramos
  Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:30 PM
  To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: France, a Rogue State in 1801-05



  > A Rogue State wants to overturn the current "World Order."



  Lawrence, can you think of a country today that is actually trying to 
overturn the world 

  order? Which country is trying to change everything? Cancel treaties? Seize 
the planet? 

  Start pointless wars? Feed weapons and money into other wars?



  > It was impossible to listen to Kagan and not see the parallels between the

  > 1801-05 period which was the subject of Kagan's book and the present day.



  It's pretty funny that you say this. Apparently, it really is impossible for 
some people not 

  to see what is going on.



  yrs,

  andreas

  www.andreas.com





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