I know you're kidding, I know you know I never said that, even if you're right, the world has way exceeded its carrying capacity for humans. But I think people should be required to take dog parenting classes before adopting a dog, seriously. It looks so easy, get a puppy and it becomes your friend. And it is easy if you know how a dog thinks and what a dog needs. Too often the poor dog winds up in the pound or depressed or stuck in a dog house. Did you ever watch the Dog Whisperer? I wonder though, Lawrence, why do you think it's so improbable that early people would have domesticated the dog for the simple love of having a pet? They decorated caves after all, didn't they? Why can't pet ownership can be in that non-utilitarian category? Generally speaking, woe betides the animal who meets up with a human. Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I'm going to side with Irene on this subject: outlaw people not dogs! She is probably going to deny saying that, but surely that was implied by her environmental concerns. The fewer people, the better the environment. Dogs may poop on your lawn but that's not going to hurt the environment. Lawrence Helm Biodegradable in San Jacinto --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.